As an employee of a neutral newspaper Washington Post, I would just like to loudly say that WE ARE PROFITING FROM THIS WAR, THAT IS WHY THIS WAR IS GOOD.
What the fuck are they even trying to refer to
I know it's funny to say lol Nazis but I feel like that's not what they were actually going for
the values are buying energy from america instead of russia
“Germany has weaned itself from dependence on Russian energy and, in many ways, rediscovered its sense of values”
Jesus Christ in light of what we know about Nordstream this is Mafia shit
(other than for the Ukrainians)
Literally ghouls
The Lovecraftian kind, not the Fallout kind
The Ukrainian deaths are a parenthetical to these people. And they call us the fascists.
Liberals who stumble blindly into this thread over the next hours and days. Yeah, you. This is you. This is what you do
Stop it
Aww, the Lovecraft Ghouls are (mostly) just our misunderstood corpse eating relatives. They don't wanna bother us unripened fruits, and actually killing us is heresy.
(but I'm probably mixing in a lot of Delta Green's Mythos lore here)
you know what ghouls in the arabic sense of a shapeshifting thieving monster that eats corpses
You think the slavi ukrani people will read this and maybe figure out they're being duped or do you think they would just scold WaPo for being too cynical about the brave troops?
Nah, the vast majority of them already believe what WaPo believes, they just don't want to appear rude by saying it out loud. If they cared about Ukrainians, they would be mad at NATO for killing the Ukraine-Russia deal that was made very early into the war and where Ukraine would not lose any territory, but would only have to promise not to ever join NATO.
I forgot, when did Putin join NATO?
Lovely_sombrero is talking about the April deal spiked by Boris Johnson's visit, this article is alleging a deal in late Feb/early March
Oh, when Russia would have had to withdraw to its position on February 23 and therefore Ukraine would sacrifice Donbas and Crimea and hand wave away a bunch of war crimes in exchange for not joining NATO.
Seems like a real balanced solution.
The battle lines have not really moved very much, after 500,000 Ukrainian casualties. Was it worth it?
Sure it's been worth it, the US has weakened Russia at a relatively low cost (other than for the Ukrainians).
Have they really though? Can you really "weaken" a nuclear power?
Embarrass, yes. Cause a loss of prestige? Of course, but they're still a nuclear power and that's never going to change.
Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in the 90s they still had a seat at the table in the UN security council and had a say in their sphere of influence. They still had a sphere of influence.
🤓 Um actually none of Russias nukes work anymore because they are too Russian to maintain them
That number is the estimated combined Russian and Ukrainian wounded and casualties. Try to actually be informed instead of parroting tankie talking points comrade.
Set aside whose casualties are whose and look at the loss of life and disfigurements. Was it worth it? Neither side has made any significant military gains since the spring that justifies these casualty numbers
That argument works just as well for justification of American colonialism and the destruction of Indigenous Americans. Congratulations, that is one amazing take. I’m not even mad, That level of take is amazing. I’m impressed
I don't know how you take an argument that basically says "a stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder and does not achieve any military objective, means that this war needs to come to an end" and claim that means I'm justifying colonialism and indigenous genocide.
On multiple levels,
On a short-timeline view (which is exactly what we have now in this conflict) that “stalemate that just feeds people into the grinder that doesn’t achieve a military objective*” is exactly what we had at multiple points during the colonial period. Wars like Father Le Loutre's War also spilled over to non combatant citizens just like Russia’s Soldiers have targeted. For that matter, that’s been true of just about any period where one nation invaded another to claim them. The only real difference now is we have gotten exceptionally effective at killing people so the totals are far higher.
Crack a fucking history book. Justification of aggression and invasion against a sovereign nation is a new low.
*- keeping an invading force from progressing is an objective, just ask the North Vietnamese. But you probably think they should have surrendered too based on your logic.
keeping an invading force from progressing is an objective, just ask the North Vietnamese
Simply stunning
I can't believe everyone isn't recognizing the sacredness of these administrative borders from a country that no longer exists. Won't somebody think of the sovereignty? These borders were very convenient for the richest people in the west and they deserve every advantage in their efforts to rob the people of Russia.
Russia has stated their goal is to maintain the territory they currently hold as well as the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine which a grinding war of attrition does due to the massive armament production difference between the two not to mention the artillery difference which has again been proven to be integral in maintaining lines within a war of attrition doctrine. As proven by the ever-probing "coutner-offensive" Ukraine is unable to retake the terrain that Russia sought out to capture and by furthering the casualties and destruction of material assets the second and third goals are obtained.
lmao liberals coming up with nonsensical equivalences that make no historical sense whatsoever is a classic example of their intuition based ignorance
You do understand Crimeans aren't ethnic Ukrainians and the people of Donbass are Russian speakers, like you do understand that basic fuckin fact about the conflict right?
Do you even know how Donbass became part of the Ukraine, obviously you don't but maybe you should ask yourself these questions before you run naked in front of us swinging your miseduction and ignorance like a mace
The way you type is repellent. For your sake I hope you aren't as smug irl.
congratulations
this is one amazing take
I'm not even mad
That level of take is amazing
I'm impressed
When you can't decide which smug redditism you want to use, so you go with all of them.
Ukraine sacrificing Crimea? What a cruel thing to make them do, give up land that they've had no control over for almost a decade.
Cool, so about ten years after illegal occupation and seizure you’re cool with the rationale of “no takesie backsies” and you still believe Putin will actually stop there.
Have I got a bridge to sell you.
lol illegal occupation and seizure of land whose residents were begging for Russia to help them?
inb4 but muh Ukrainian sovereignty!!!
You actually believe that protest was spontaneous by residents.
I’m sorry, I was lying before; the bridge isn’t really for sale. I morally can’t feel good about taking advantage of someone that gullible*.
- PS- If anyone ever tries to tell you “someone wrote gullible on the ceiling” or “you dropped your pocket” they are trying to get you to look to make you look silly. It’s actually a joke at your expense, I just thought someone should warn you.
you can't seriously swallow us state dept propaganda and scream at anti imperialists to just get in line, while also telling other people they're gullible with some middle school tier redditisms
PS- If anyone ever tries to tell you “someone wrote gullible on the ceiling” or “you dropped your pocket” they are trying to get you to look to make you look silly. It’s actually a joke at your expense, I just thought someone should warn you.
never have i read a comment on the fediverse that so desperately deserved an atomic wedgie and getting stuffed in a locker
You actually believe that protest was spontaneous by residents.
Yes.
A lot of people aren't thrilled with the idea of living under ethnic nationalists that intend to use them as scapegoats for the mess of modern Ukraine.
"Illegal occupation" dude shut the fuck up, the maiden coup goverment was illegal and there's a reason western media doesn't bring up the Crimean referendum
Crimeans spoke loud and clear, they are not Ukrainian, they don't want to be Ukrainian and they sure as shit don't want their region torn apart by a bunch of nazi banderites
The fact you think Crimea is even up for discussion shows just how ignorant and remote you are from this conflict, read anything besides CNN articles you fascist waterholder
What are your thoughts on South Korea, Taiwan, and (former) South Vietnam? Edit: also Israel
Are you surprised that years of genocide in the Donbas came with a cost?
I think you greatly overvestimate Ukraine libs of you think they'd care about this
Ukrainians I've talked to actually don't give too much of a shit about this. Their point of view is very simple: fight the invaders. Anybody who'll provide the means of doing so is useful, but they don't give that much of a fuck about the US pov.
cowboy holding a six shooter up to the back of another cowboys head
Always has been
Best I could do ^
Germany hasn't weaned itself off Russian gas though.
Germany muddled through last year’s preternaturally warm winter, as the government provided generous energy subsidies for homes and businesses. But since then, the lack of Russian gas has been the major factor in rising energy costs that have led to a slowdown in the German economy, the fourth largest in the world.
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/harold-pinter-had-it-right
Yes.
For Turkey: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220106-russia-turkey-energy-companies-sign-four-year-gas-deal/
India seems to be concerning itself with oil rather than gas. Searching it brings up multiple articles about India importing a lot more oil from Russia than usual, with European oil imports from India also increasing. No article I've found admits it outright but it's easy to see what's going on.
I wouldn't be surprised. Seymour Hersh had a tidbit about how Germany would sell excess gas from the pipeline to other European countries at a premium, when they didn't use as much as their agreement with Russia had them take delivery for
Germany has weaned itself from its dependence on Russian energy
you mean they had their energy infrastructure bombed because they bought from the wrong supplier
And so they shut down nuclear plants and fired up giant steam punk leviathans to eat wind farms and shit out coal.
It's crazy cuz even most libs at this point end up defaulting to "yea we know it's a proxy war and that's a good thing".
hey fellas is it a good look if we just handwave away all the people thrown into a metaphorical woodchipper or should I contrive the flimsiest facade of human decency, asking
for a friendon behalf of a heartless sociopath of a journalist to whom the question will never occurI remember a couple years back reading a post from some liberal talking about how "Cold War Russia was just an empire and if it actually went to war with NATO, it would've just used the other Warsaw Pact members as cannon fodder"
All projection all the time
Actually you're a tankie if you mention that NATO is feeding every Ukrainian into a blender for its own ends.
I was gonna say love how were the bad guys, according to people with a subscription to the paper talking about how great of an investment that giant pile of Ukrainian bodies is.
Caitlin Johnstone has a nice writeup that includes this quote here.
