still be running from lions
fuck off and die you racist piece of shit
Always a good sign when someone drops a "nuanced" view on Hitler in the first half of the post
The only good thing Hitler ever did was kill Hitler. Of course that action is tarnished by also killing the guy who killed Hitler, and denying the Soviets justice. That's about the extent of legitimate nuance on the topic of Hitler.
its kinda dumber than that. Most of the sterotype of nazism being this ultra-militarist spartan state is more pop culture depicting their war against the soviets. nazi germany was much less mobilized than most of he other participants in WW2 until gobbel's famous "total war" speech because the nazi government depended on the loyalty of mega corporations for it's support base and designed their doctrine of blizkrieg as a way of deploying the fewest military resources possible for the shortest period of time so all of those conscripts could go back to working in the factory making wiener sniztzel
look at any research on nazi war production and while its easy to use it as a way of demonstrating the superiority of the soviet system to nazism, the truth is that basically every industrialized country was able to top germany in war production because nazi germany was just five slave owning megacorps in a top hat.
this is such a fucking perfect distillation of your lowest common denominator r*ddit pilled sam harris loving facts and logic dork
still be running from lions
- be racist ✅
[Hitler] was, in fact, an effective leader these statements are factual
- confidently confuse your shitty opinion with facts, even though your entire fucking gimmick is understanding facts and logic ✅
Thankfully, I don't answer to anyone, so I can give my honest answer
- be racist ✅
Are they comparing a university to the history of Islam? That's like power scaling in an anime. Besides the futility of trying to compare pre-Namek Goku to Luffy, what the fuck is scientific progress? You don't have the royal scientific authority grand you 14 milliscientificprofresses (milliscipros) every time you get published.
There might very well be good research that comes out of NYU, but it's asinine to compare it to how useful algebra is. Also probably racist bullshit. And by probably it is.
acknowledging [Hitler] was, in fact, an effective leader
Wasn't his leadership famous for being incredibly dysfunctional? Like there wasn't a single thing about the Nazi "state" as it was that was even remotely functional at any point
Effective at leading people by appealing to their emotions, not so great at leading the nation/economy or the military during war
Like there wasn't a single thing about the Nazi "state" as it was that was even remotely functional at any point
Did you know that Kristallnacht caused a Reich-wide foreign exchange crisis because of the sudden demand for imported glass?
Wonder which Euronazi company that’s still functioning today was responsible for producing Reich glass with slave labor
Iirc many of the Kristallnacht glass orders went to Belgium at the time.
I'm assuming that the Euronazi company in question still makes Kristallnacht glass and severed chocolate hands to this day.
Even "the Nazis made the trains run on time" meme is a myth, trains were few in number, expensive, and very frequently cancelled and late in Germany and Italy under fascist governments.
There's a chance they could have won if he wasn't such a unpredictable idiot who loved to be random and do military strategy based on how he was feeling that moment.
Maybe a chance if they didn't invade the SU, but that was also like 75% of his political platform.
Literally every fascist empire is doomed to fail eventually because their core ideology and entire economy relies on violent expansion and exploitation of those they see as lesser. They always spread themselves too thin and weaken their armies by waging constant war with either neighboring nations or their own people. Even if they ran out of outsiders to fight and steal from, they would eventually turn on themselves as the final adversary. We're seeing it happen right now in the West with the rich cannibalizing their own countries as much as possible, practically ripping the copper wiring out to maintain some form of dominance.
The endgame of fascism is that only the two most fascist people remain on Earth, and then the most fascist person executes the second most fascist person for removed.
Actually wild how similar they were. Low in infrustructure, industry and manpower. Almost zero navy and under constant blockade. Won early battles before the oppositions full war machine was assembled, while in ground that favored them. But as soon as conditions changed they started losing. If it wasnt flat ground and it wasnt summer they were impotent.
But they had good officers and some of their soldiers had fancy rifles. Which means they tooooootaly should've won.
it's going to be the same when the US starts a war with China, after exporting its industrial capacity.
There is no situation in which Germany wins. Like even if one starts rolling back history with "well what if they weren't sabotaging themselves with [insert literally any core Fascist ideological policy here]?" there is just no scenario where them being more competent and less self-destructive actually sees them through. A more competent Germany would have killed significantly more people before losing, but their loss was ultimately a material inevitability.
Not a chance. The Nazis straight up didn't have the resources to wage the kind of war they fought. The only way to win would have been to somehow ally with the "Allies" (not out of the realm of possibility, to be fair) and get shipments of materiel and fuel that way. They simply did not have the oil to wage a war against anyone, and that meant no tanks, no trucks, and no navy.
They could not have won. Their army and their "reich" collapsed the moment they suffered a major defeat. The Soviet Union by comparison suffered horrific defeats and losses in the early stages of the eastern front and the nation rallied back and won the war. Why couldn't the Germans do this? Because their "reich" was nothing more than plundering Europe, and it fell apart when it encountered its first test of resilience. The thousands of miles of captured territory was quickly lost despite plenty of opportunities to build and create contingencies in the event their offensives failed. They didn't do it. They didn't have a back up plan, or a way to transition their military into fighting a war of attrition.
The militant fascism required them to invade everything and everyone as quickly as possible. To try to fabricate a scenario where the Nazis made smart and long-term war winning decisions is to effectively make them not Nazis to begin with. You can argue that they may have had more success if Rommel was given command of everything but he never would have been able to create the political movement that gave him the tools in the first place. To speculate further is to create an alternate history scenario where everything went perfect for the Nazis and they had a dramatic regime and ideology change in the midst of their conquests.
Victory for the Nazis was total domination and nothing else. Conquering and holding Europe alone would never have been seen as "winning the war", at least as far as they were concerned.
The argument can be made that any military force could have won if they just made no mistakes and got lucky everywhere they needed to. Despite having most of the cards in their favor early on, they lost. That isn't a reflection of how close they were to victory, but how fragile their victories had been.
Nah, the Nazis had no real chance. Really, they only got as far as they did because the Soviet Union fumbled at the beginning. Once the deficiencies were dealt with, it was game over. The closest chance the Nazis could get would be if Fascist Japan completely threw away their chance of forming their own fascist empire by (re)invading the Soviet Union. You could have a not completely implausible scenario where the IJA/IJN put enough of a fight and the Soviet Union is forced to fight two fronts, a western front with Nazi Germany and an eastern front with Fascist Japan. This completely unrealistic scenario would also involve the US staying out of the war because Japan decided to commit suicide by invading Siberia via Manchuria instead of bombing Pearl Harbor.
The most common view conservatives publicly say about Hitler is basically "best leader ever, except for that one thing."
Good things can come from bad people, like one side of Hitler's skull coming out through the other side
However, had we not brought them over here, it's a good possibility they would still be running away from lions.
Wtf does he think modern day Africa is lmao, he thinks we ride lions to school or some shit? That I keep a pet lion in the backyard? That they just roam though the cities like it's an everyday thing?
The only time I've seen a lion here was in a nature reserve, that literally had the word "lion" in it's name lol.
Africa was and is just a place where people run from lions like a constant Scooby-Doo chase
Africa is just one hallway with a lot of doors and people run in and out of them chased by a lion
also did he really think being forced to live a life in chains, serving under the whip of a colonial master was the preferable alternative to 'running away from lions?'
Yeah good thing the slavers didn't famously use animals in the hunting and capture of escaped slaves
I'd run from a lion a couple times if it meant no office job. Let alone if I were a chattel slave
tbt to when i moved to the uk and everyone asked if i rode a lion to school smdh
These fucking clowns really tell on themselves whenever they try and do the “you gotta hand it to Hitler” move but like, by what metric was hitler an effective leader? He was famously corrupt and the Nazis fucking lost
Hitler was so effective that he caused the worst war in history and blew his brains out lmao
: "But no, you see. Hitler is evil, evil is funny, funny is cool, and cool is good! Therefore, Hitler good! Hyuck Hyuck!"
"Some recent studies date the inception of iron metallurgy in Africa between 3000 and 2500 BCE."
They really think they did everything first.
That kind of stuff is fascinating. People all over the world invented, forgot, reinvented, etc technology all the time at completely different times in history.
Humans can be smart af.
That's a great example! I like looking at the different challenges cultures had when they created the same type of tech.
First I've heard of them. Pretty interesting.
Check this out:The earliest sails were not made from canvas but from woven grass, which had to be dipped in tannins in order to be toughened up. This resulted in a reddish-brown hue, which was carried on when canvas masts were invented. The bright crimson masts seen in Hong Kong’s harbor today still bear this historical hallmark.
My brain can only go "well, the ancient human manager probably didn't appreciate the worker invented iron metallurgy, fired them, and set civilization back 400 years" and gets frustrated
"Running from lions." Fucking idiot. Same old "we saved them from barbarism" bullshit that's been fed to colonialist shills for centuries now. Find a new line lol. Guy's probably just reciting shit he heard from some other racist asshole.
A concerning amount of people unironically still believe in the White Man's Burden.
The Colonialism saved the barbarians is a pretty common argument and belief, I feel like slave taking from Africa improved Africa is another step further
The modern version is just "humanitarian aid" shit. It's no different from the old missionary stuff colonialism pulled, except now it's secular.
Thankfully, I don't answer to anyone, so I can give an honest answer.
Imagine being this cool. I bet this guy is just drowning in pussy.
This guy is in another post right now arguing that homophobia isn't real.
I can say these harsh truths, because I don't answer to anyone, because I live in complete social isolation for some reason.
CW: Self Harm
Come to power in 1933
Promise a 1000 year Reich
Kill yourself 12 years later as your entire country get bombed back to the stone age
Such an effective leader
Yeah, the guy who started a two front war and got his country carved into two by in a joint effort by two countries that fucking hate each other, very effective, such leader, wow.
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I see the whole "Hitler was a great charismatic leader which is how he rose to power and [insert OP here]" and the first part is also extremely anti-materialist too, its basically the libs world view of how politics goes down in the real world.
"Oh but the Germans realy only liked Hitler because he was good making speeches", realy now as if there were literaly no other material, social-economic and historical reasons why Nazism appeared?
Libs absolutely love this shit because
1- It legitimizes the whole personality cult around dictators removing any materialistic or ideological basis leading straight to nonsensical Stalin = Hitler because lib woke, sorry I mean authoritarianism.
2-It allows them to never look at capitalism's faults or their own European history of plundering and conflict even among themselves, WW2 was a just a really bad guy or maybe a few bad "apples"(see clean Wehrmacht) in charge. Now that the right people are in charge there is nothing that could possibly go wrong.
There's also a huge downplaying of the fact that Hitler actually lost the vote and took power in what was essentially just a handoff by the Social Democrats because they were afraid of the communists.
The fascist advance through Europe also wasn't just German. They allied with local reactionary groups and empowered them. Groups that still exist today because the US didn't allow them to be expunged.
