tbf the nyc subway is extremely convoluted and unintuitive to use compared to more civilized metros, lots of arcane rules like "only the first 3 cars can fit in this station so if you want to get off there you better remember where in the train you are" or "trains with prime numbers only stop at every other station during rush hour" which are never posted anywhere. It's like the least beginner-friendly metro of any on earth, even ones where the beginner doesn't speak the local language.
that said it's still not that hard, you buy a ticket, you try to get on the right train, and worst-case you end up 20 blocks away from your destination and try again
transit apps have trivialized all of this
you don't even need a Metrocard anymore!
Any system designed for the general population that's so complicated you need an app navigate it is a bad system.
You don't need an app, it just removes the entire learning curve. Honestly it's three systems that were kludged together, and some parts are a century old. It should be better, but it's understandable for what it is.
What it is is a primitive garbage metro that new yawkers have a weird superiority complex about
New Yawk sucks, but the metro is okay relative to the country generally.
Whatever station this is is out of service for the weekend (probably due to maintenance) and they're telling people what alternatives there are to taking the trains at that station
The East Asian skull shape is unable to comprehend this even though it's peak efficiency, American exceptionalism right here baby.
“only the first 3 cars can fit in this station so if you want to get off there you better remember where in the train you are”
Not once in the 40 years I lived in NYC has this happened to me.
maybe it was construction-related, if the intercom worked I might've been able to hear what the conductor was trying to say about it instead of a garbled static version of the teacher's voice in charlie brown
This is much more common on the LIRR or NJ Transit than the subway. Certain stations only allow the first 10 cars, last four cars, etc
The old South Ferry station used to be like this, otherwise I can't remember of any others.
Oh yeah I forgot about the old South Ferry station, but I never went there because Staten Island sucks. I also moved away 5 years ago and was worried I forgot lol
"trains with prime numbers only stop at every other station during rush hour"
Shirley you can't be serious?
Memories of trying to catch the Z train for funsies and then learning it only has 6 trips every day
I caught it once and jumped on just to see the Z
It's not nearly as bad as this but yes NYC has this concept of "express" trains that skip stations during rush hours even when it's the same train line, and it can be very confusing even if you've taken any other metro on earth.
every western transit designer should be required by law to visit one or more major east asia cities to see how they do it. I've been a few places in taiwan, RoK, japan and even as a non-local language speaker the transit was super easy to use. lots of colour coding on paths to guide you around and signage was really good too. this was 10+ years ago now but these cities definitely set the bar to me. I'm curious what modern transit looks like in mainland china, I've never been.
Nordic countries have good transit too, but admittedly nowhere near the same throughput as a metro in China
Having lived in NYC, I completely agree, but Boston would like to have a word.
I was craving the clarity and forward thinking that the MTA has compared to the MBTA.
Oh yeah the T is garbage, but the difference is Bostonians don't pretend it's anything other than a straight-up dumpster fire. It's also substantially easier to figure out than whatever tf is happening with the NYC subway. Plus they've at least been experimenting with fare-free service.
So she's a travel columnist and she doesn't do the thing the people do where she travels?
I hate the gatekeeping and elitist thing of "You don't truly like X if you only do popular thing", but she's really tempting me to do that with travel.
Honestly I don't think cruises and disneyland qualify you to be "well traveled" in any sense of the word other than "has technically been to many places" and even that's only from the cruises.
traveling to different disney resorts is like traveling to a bunch of airports
Its like counting places in which you had a 1 hour stopover.
I suggest that you haven't been somewhere until you've gone grocery shopping there.
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She seems very attached to normal human being life.
Don't @ me about footprint but this is on the way to having the personal CO2-Footprint of the actual cruise ship by going so often all the breakdowns per passenger just end up at 100% again
There are cruise ships that people live on. Like, they don't book them out, you buy a spot on the ship and they just go around the world and stop places. There are multiple year-long cruises, dozens of month-long ones. Most of the ships have been in service since the 70s, sold, resold, refitted. It's truly a cursed industry.
[extremely lib voice]: We need to allow Florida retirement homes to fly flags of convenience
It's understandable to be confused by the strange commercialized transit scheme in New York. Probably not as understandable to be an adult and not know how to read a map but that's the education system's failure, not a moral failure.
Are there at least websites that help say, someone who hasn't taken public transportation how to navigate it?
Never been to NYC but here in LA, with a pretty simple light rail/subway network, Metro has an army of "ambassadors" at most stations to help riders get to where they're going.
This honestly feels more like medieval lord brain, which I also think is a big part of car brain
Share a space with the commoners? By god, what if I catch the poor off of them?
Yeah I agree, have to imagine a medieval peasant would actually be pretty psyched to ride a metro.
I don't mean this as an attack but one could write books about how much cars retroactively shaped perception of transport and city planning before cars. It's insane. The usual thing seems to be to assume that because everybody has a car now everybody just used to have an individual horse, commuting from their suburbian slash peasant dwelling living place on horse roads with horse congestion to downtown (centrally planned around 50.000 horses to the detriment of 8 cranks that walked). For 99% of history and for 99% of people your options to get anywhere were:
a) walking b) public transport of some sort
Then came train, bicycle, automobile at around a 50 year timeframe. First one revolutionized public transport, second one revolutionized individual transport and then for another 50 years cars were hated by everybody but the rich dipshits that could afford them endangering anybody else.
You ever hear someone say "roads [or roadspace] was always for cars"? Yeah, it's that. It's assuming that because the world is the way that it is now, it used to be that way forever, except horse.
Just to add in that some places people traveled on water regularly. Even built canals to bring the water where it wasn't.
Also in the winter you can snowshoe, ski or sled. If there's enough snow.
Doesnt dispute any point tho.
Oh I 100% agree with this, I'm not saying a medieval peasant would be excited to ride a metro because it would solve their like commute issues because peasants didn't have a commute lol, they could just walk to the fields from town. I'm talking strictly because trains are cool and a medieval peasant would think it's cool to ride a magical on-land boat.
I remember when I first left Florida I had no idea how to use transit either. I had to look it up and spent hours trying to figure it out. after doing so however, I know for sure it's a genuine goal of mine to see how long I can make it without owning a car even if I end up back in Florida just out of spite
What in the fuck publication is uploading this Instagram post + diary entry ass article?
Business Insider
https://www.businessinsider.com/first-trip-new-york-city-frequent-traveler-best-worst-parts-2024-12
how do you travel 1/3rd of the year and not know how public transit works
I think if we wanted to draw a line between vacation and travel this would be it
The NYC subway has a bit of a learning curve, but it really isn't that bad. People are pretty understanding about non-locals being confused and will answer questions readily, and pretty much the worst case scenario is that you accidentally catch an express train, miss the stop you were shooting for, and have to go across to the other platform to go a few stops back in the other direction. Being unwilling to even try is just baby brained, especially for a "travel journalist."
Oh she's a "travel journalist" who almost exclusively does cruises and Disney resorts. That makes more sense.
For some reason I assumed Disney had trams or something at the park. I'm not looking it up
I imagine it's a single track with only one set of stops. The NYC subway requires you to plan your route out and make the occasional transfer.
Some people's stories feel like its just a single cozy bus stop compared to a metro. Not really going anywhere, not even sure why you're at the bus stop. But you're here now.
I’ll bet in the million times she’s gone to Disney she hasn’t ridden the Fkn monorail either.
You spend over 25% of the year traveling... And you've never gone somewhere with lots of public transit? Ok not NYC which is one of few transit systems in the US that's worth anything... But what never big cities in... Europe? Asia? Atleast to pass through em for a few days if most of your travel is rural (which I doubt).
Just going to Tokyo and only taking the taxi.
Or what she just goes to LA like 20 times a year?
Or what she just goes to LA like 20 times a year?
No she mostly just goes to Disneyland in Florida.
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Goes to Disneyland 35 days a year, complains about having to take public transit. Checks out
Madness. I mean I get it on one tiny level... There are things I like doing more often than the average amount... But Disney... Really. You wanna be a child that bad?
Also ya totally makes you a big time travel head to go to the same theme park for the same managed experience every time.
Even as a kid, the thought of going to Disney never appealed to me, and I always loved theme park rides and carnival shit.
Ilive in a part of Florida where public transit isn't really a thing, so learning how to ride
IN FLORIDA ONLY UNTOUCHABLES USE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND LEARNING HOW TO RIDE LIKE A POOR IS HARD
Motorcyclists have a point when they call carbrains cagers. It should be a more widely adopted term.
I use cagers regularly, it's such a perfect encapsulation of that terminal carbrain mentality.
