Like, in a practical sense? Do you have any stories or examples from your life?
Years ago I wrote here using an alt about how I had yelled in public at one of my chud neighbors because he put a trump sign on his lawn. I stalked him later on facebook (which I no longer use) and saw his writing about the encounter. I could barely understand what he was even talking about. This is a white boomer who works as a school bus driver. Becoming a school bus driver now is super hard actually, it requires six months of education where I live, but I suspect that he got into school bus driving before all of that, because his writing looked almost like he had just smashed his keyboard with his hands. No punctuation, many spelling and grammatical mistakes. I remember he wrote "I'm" when he should have written "I am"—it was something like: "He doesn't know how nice of a guy I am," but he wrote it "He doesn't know how nice of a guy I'm." This guy also speaks with a heavy accent and only in short, simple sentences. I've worked as an ESL teacher for years, and I tell students now—many of them are perfectionists—that they already speak English better than some native speakers.
I don't know what level his literacy is at. I guess he is barely capable of communicating in writing and also able to sign and cash checks and buy things at the grocery store?
Another story: I work in a blue collar field which requires us to enter about four houses each day. 95% of houses have absolutely no books at all. Of the remaining 5% of houses with books, the vast majority are only bibles and cookbooks. 1% has books that are mostly for decoration. Another 1% or so has books that appear to have been read. I have only found a handful of houses with communist texts. Most of the houses with books that seem to have been read are just filled with liberal nonsense. A coworker and I once entered the very rare American house that seemed to have hundreds of books. My coworker (white, in his thirties, has a high school education at best) didn't even notice them. I guess I just found this stunning. I was fascinated with the books' existence and wanted to examine them all, even if they were almost certainly all liberal nonsense (the owners were retired academics), but my coworker was still just glued to tiktok on his phone (and not communist tiktok). He's actually an okay guy. He so desperately wants to be a normal American, but he has two trans kids whom he seems to love, so it's basically impossible for him to be as reactionary as he would like to be. I talked with him for about a hundred hours when we worked together, never revealing that I was a communist and always avoiding obvious Marxist language, and only made modest progress at best. When we finished working together a few months ago, he had expressed interest in voting for RFK. He had also never heard of long covid and seemed to be concerned about it when I mentioned it. Then he went back to normal. As for me, I have trouble watching videos to learn things because they're just too slow, sometimes even if I set them at double speed. I prefer reading, although I do listen to a lot of books and podcasts. Not to denigrate learning from videos since I know they can be useful and some people really get a lot out of them, but in my opinion, a random book is going to have a lot more information than a random youtube video.
it means using plain language, visual aids, and keeping things concise will get you far in the states.
boom, gottem. #pithy
Worked for a major insurance company in rural Alabama. Had customers who couldn't even write their own name, all of them were black people living in an incredibly poor area. None of them seemed particularly dumb or something, they just didn't have access to education because of segregation. This wasn't that long ago (2010ish), but a 70 year old today was school aged before desegregation in Alabama. Especially in rural areas that didn't enforce it for a while.
I think a lot of people ignore the effect this has on stats like this.
I recently heard this from someone. Does anyone have a link to the recent research indicating this? My reflex is to be immediately suspicious of narratives along the lines of "everyone is stupid," especially in online communities with fringe political beliefs.
I think the "6th grade" bit is made up to help translate the results of these studies into something even 6th graders can understand, but the feds do these massive studies every now and then
https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/piaac/2023/national_results.asp
I had a coworker who was writing a note to the boss and misspelled several common words, including "house".
Often times people just avoid writing or typing in general, in favor of speech-to-text.
I’ve said for the longest time that my 7th grade self could accomplish all of the day to day admin tasks I’m assigned at work and still stand by that statement. You can’t effectively read without knowing how to interpret what the author/speaker expressed
I also could be too literal so ehh
I’m going to be honest, there was a ballot measure on this year’s ballot that I had to read and break down, and idk what my reading level is but it’s more than a 6th grader. I can see how the average person can easily get bamboozled with the way things like that are written.
So much of the minutiae of government/politics is left out of the lexicon in favor of clickbait headlines and 24/7 entertainment politics
Makes sense why you struggled imo
Yes! Sometimes I wonder what would pass if it were written more plainly. Oregon voted down a measure that would only increase taxes on companies making a lot of money and then distribute that money to citizens. Like wtf how could that not pass?
Then they DID vote for a measure that allows the state legislature to impeach members. Literally giving up our power to vote for who we want and letting the politicians kick people out when they feel like it is ridiculous. I bet the first time someone gets impeached it will be a leftist/progressive and not some fucking piece of shit from east Oregon who is literally trying to become Idaho
my first election as a snotty teen i had to learn what "eminent domain" meant in the booth, and of course despite taking and passing high school civics i had no conception of why it would be important.
And in some places they won't allow you to have your phone out at all, so you can't even look it up on the fly or keep a note on your phone. Even in states that require in person voting, sample ballots with explanations should be sent out weeks ahead
I would say I'm pretty smart, I have a job that relies on being intelligent and I excel at it.
My toddler and I are pretty much learning to read together. I didn't realize how much I stuggle to read, or at least read aloud, until I tried reading books to my son and it fucking rocked my world.
At first I thought the books were poorly written until I heard my wife reading a bunch of them without a problem.
Work emails have to be “dumbed down” to get co-workers to respond.
If I send the fully detailed email I want to, explaining what the situation is, what actions I need them to take and why, I get ghosted 9/10 and have to waste time getting their attention.
If instead I send one sentence emails I can at least get a response and back and forth conversation going. The majority of my co-workers have difficulty parsing anything more than like 2 paragraphs for relevant info.
I work on an app that's pretty complex and requires a lot of back and forth between devs, customers, and the people who do all the training/sales. I've had A LOT of success using numbered bullet points instead of writing normal sentences and paragraphs.
Something about the numbers makes them want to read it in order instead of skimming and it being broken down and labeled lets me respond with things like, "great, what about the 3rd bullet point?" Instead of having to repeat things. Plus most of my coworkers are in Texas so they love bullets.
Not just the volume of content, but also modifying syntax and verbiage.
"Parsing? What's that, a vegetable?"
It means that a large part of my job is just copying and pasting things that have already been sent to clients because they straight up do not read everything they're sent even if it's just three or four sentences in a paragraph. This has gotten worse since Covid. Loads of these people are business owners, too. I can't imagine working for them, it must be a fucking nightmare.
edit: It also means a lot of clients balk at text communication entirely insisting that it's easier to explain something over the phone. Inevitably, the thing they absolutely needed to monopolize someone's time for can be expressed in a single fucking simple sentence.
“We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat,” announced Reagan advisor Roger A. Freeman during a press conference on Oct. 29, 1970.
It means,,sadly, that the US education system is doing precisely what it was intended to do. Sigh
The way it has manifested most clearly in the situations I've encountered it is a basic difference in approach to writing and reading as concepts. They don't see writing or reading as a way to communicate, they see it as a puzzle they have to solve by following rules, so that they can return to communicating once the puzzle is out of the way. Unless they're in very casual/online settings, or very motivated to find specific information, they avoid the puzzle because it's annoying.
I have dyslexia and legitimately didn’t learn how to read until I was about 13 years old. I mean, I got by on memorizing clusters of familiar looking phrases. Vibes-based reading. Oh and lots of cheating and lying about homework.
Two decades later, I still struggle compared to my peers. But I have had the privilege and luck to learn strategies to make up the difference.
I’m also an elementary school teacher. There’s only so hours I can try to teach my students to read. One of the biggest determining factors for reading ability/comprehension is how much vocabulary children are exposed to at an early age (0-4 years old). Reading to young children is crucial for language development, reading ability, and a slue of related skills. I don’t know enough about linguistics to know this for sure, but I’m assuming most of my students have parents with restricted vocabulary. And probably just not talked to enough as babies. Something just has to have affected their kids cognition in pernicious ways. Them getting COVID 8 or 9 times in their lives probably hasn’t helped either.
So the other week with my fifth graders we’re doing intro geometry stuff. I said something like, “A cylinder is just like the rectangular prism. It’s just that its base is a circle.” And like okay, I’ve been trying for half an hour trying to distill the absolute cluster fuck this caused in my students brains.
“It’s similar to this coffee mug. See? It has a circular base and it’s a prism. I know you’re thinking a prism has to look like the rectangular prism. It might be helpful to think of the cylinder as a circular prism.” I said, exasperated.
“What are you even saying?” a child asks rhetorically.
I eventually have to say something like, “Listen, if you can’t understand this it’s a skill issue and kinda cringe.” There’s a million little things that are hard to put into words how utterly dysfunctional some of these kids brains are and will be later in life.
Oh and I have to speak to these children’s parents on the reg, which is its own sort of hell.
Maybe show them how you can project a line segment perpendicular to its direction to make a rectangle, then show how you can project a square into a rectangular prism. A visual could help.
Tbh you also about lost me when you started taking about rectangular prisms, too, and I'm a 30-year-old former voracious reader. So. Maybe take it a lil easier on them, and come up with simpler verbiage when introducing new concepts?
I think there is a significant difference in two skill affinities at play here. Vocabulary and spatial visualization are both important to solidifying geometry skills but some people just tend to have a lot of difficulty projecting 3-dimensional shapes in their minds, whether or not the words to describe the concepts are in their lexicon.
Tell them prisms are where bad guys go; if they ran a prism, do they want their prismers to be in a cylindrical cell or a rectangular one?
To be fair, at least personally, I learned the word 'cylinder' long before I learned 'rectangular prism'. Maybe because the latter is usually called a cuboid or box, while there is no simpler word for a cylinder.
cuboids are what they call people on flatlander 4chan
They know those concepts from previous grades and learning. My example leaves out weeks of scaffolding.
