Hello welcome to Ireland. Before you enter, we must determine how white you are, ask you about your religion, and measure your skull.
As someone who is majoring in sociology I can also confirm that this is a bullshit thing
Not exactly biologist (I luckly avoided a lot of field work and memorizing what exactly is a Chenopodium), actually working in plant bioinformatics, wishing to have a job in the private sector when my pathetic PhD is over.
It feels a little silly when you live in Europe and it's Dublin, but honestly it's not a weird thing to ask?? In Germany and Austria my POC friends get stares in smaller cities. (And they're born here, speak German perfectly, etc.) Not exactly dangerous but not super fun either. Are we suddenly pretending Europe isn't racist af to own the Murricans?
Sure that's fair. I also find Americans' passion for keeping track of ethnicities past idk grandparents to be bizarre and tiresome. But I was reading through the comments on the original Reddit post and people were like, super offended that OP is afraid Europe's racist lmao
As a mexican, I've had 2 friends get assaulted by locals in Ireland, in different trips, so yeah, pepper spray may be a good idea.
how do you get mugged in ireland but not here
han de ser de varo
It wasn't a mugging, it was assault. A hate crime.
Y si, son de varo, si no como chingados te pagas unas vacaciones a europa?
I live in Dublin right now. In general the normal rules of society dictate that its weird to talk about race and you're going to lose friends and acquaintances if you bring it up as a negative. Except against the travelling community (that's kind of an indigenous white people group, that's a whole other weird thing). Where you would run into trouble is there are a lot of people who are basically outside of society due to poverty and basically lack of an opportunity to be part of it. Wages have been down since 07/08 a lot and even before the neoliberal squeeze was on. On top of that there is near zero class consciousness in spite of much wider unionization than you see in the states. These people would have basically died if they lived in the states. And the kids of these essentially outsiders in their own country don't buy into social rules because why the fuck would they do nothing for them and specifically target them as worthless. That's where you're most likely to hear an N bomb and get punched. Its different to the American version of this in subtle ways that are hard to explain, like it seems much more likely to happen to someone who's visiting than some black guy who has obviously lived in Ireland his whole life. Even then its unlikely unless you go into bandit country. Where that starts and ends can be hard to tell though.
The bit seems like "applying how Americans talk about visiting nonwhite countries to an extremely white country" but the path there is a little muddled
Yea
Sometimes people ask me advice for visiting South Africa, I told them your skin colour wont really matter much. They will know you are a tourist and that is more dangerous than anything, since they know you are an easy mark.
So stay inside the safe bubble of tourism, don't try to venture out, or you will very quickly find yourself in the real Africa. Travel with a tour group to the safari and get back to the hotel with a group.
Asking if Dublin is a tolerant city is harmless. Asking if they accept "white mutts" is just weird race obsession
Something about using the word “mutt” to describe a human feels really gross.
Could be internalised racism? I dunno, shits weird, but I'm a white dude so I'm happy to keep my mouth shut on the subject.
it's almost like the Americans who can afford to travel abroad are rich racist assholes or something
Not that Germany and Austria aren't racist, but I've always heard that Bavaria and Austria especially feel moreso exactly because of the staring thing which is supposedly a cultural trait, where Austrians don't have any qualms about staring in public the way they do in most countries.
Maybe? I mean my friends lived here all their life. It's not like they cry into their pillows every day about it - they're used to it. (And stares is the least bad thing they've gotten from strangers obv.) But at the same time it's present enough that they've complained to me about it, and as they grew up in the staring culture, I guess they feel when the cultural trait slips over into racism. I hope that makes sense, can't figure out how to word it haha
(For the record I also sometimes get stared at when I speak Russian with my family on the street, but as I am an immigrant and not from a staring culture, it bugs me lol)
For sure Austrians both in and out of Vienna are racist as fuck, just that I've heard the comparison made a lot to specifically western Switzerland, where I grew up. Switzerland is about as xenophobic as Austria if not moreso, but if they were racistly staring at you in Switzerland and you locked eyes they would do the quick look away thing, whereas in Austria they just keep staring. That's what I've been told anyway
I lived in Austria for a year and they were ridiculously racist and xenophobic, it was awful. It went way beyond normal cultural staring. I lived in a smallish town though, could be better in larger cities I suppose.
I think its more, racists stare everywhere you go but in most places I think shame makes them look away when you catch them staring, whereas in Austria they're less primed to have that shame reaction. My impression of Vienna is that it is not an especially racist European capital but Austria as a whole is very xenophobic.
The idea that Europeans have never seen a non-white person before is just insane. Especially coming from a person who's half white and claims that they pass for Latin or Arabic or something. She's acting like everyone in Ireland is a Aryan model who is gonna freak out at someone with dark hair and a tan
Here is my fully sequenced genome, will they put me in a camp if I visit Ireland?
pretty sure that in america "agnostic" just means you arnt actively going to church every week
well, american, so.. the almighty dollar counts as a form of protestantism
Supply-Side Protestantism, brought to you by the Trickle-Down Reformation
the great parable of reagonomics, the true foundation of all morality
personally? im a nacho-agnostic extremist, i guess... im not really sure, yknow.. is there a term for being undecided about your brand of nacho?
nachofidian maybe
Tell that to evangelicals. I was raised to believe Muslims worship some sort of Moon God lmao.
47.3% is too low
Poor op is gonna be forced to kneel in a ditch before taking a shotgun blast to the back of the head for not being at least 55% white
Race mixing is communism and frankly it sounds like her 'mutt' boyfriend was conceived at an international swingers party
(Serious though...why are they like this?)
Alright I didn't care until I read this fucking nonsense, now I'm mad:
I politely said I was thinking of maybe cancelling our first part of our trip to Europe (which was to be Ireland) and going straight to London from Dublin airport instead (where I would feel safer).
Yeah the seat of the white supremacist empire is fine but god forbid you go to one of the countries they ritually abused for centuries, I hear they have a hard time with people who aren't the same as them. Christ, while racist ass Boris is PM, utter moron.
When even reddit realises you're a race obsessed weirdo so you breakdown for multiple days, take a day off work and cancel your holiday
Dublin has a 48.2% cutoff normally, she’s gonna have to get a waiver from a phrenologist.
Really? Yeah, an American didn't know whether or not Ireland was racist, ignorant American, blah blah blah.
But you guys are really gonna fault someone from a white supremacist state for being nervous??? Cause I can fucking tell you, this calculus is a necessary one when I go to a new part of town. When I go on a road trip. When I go to certain stores. You know that some municipalities fund almost everything by targeting passing-through brown people for tickets, right? You are really fucking deluding yourself if you don't think people are running the numbers on every meeting, every club you invite them to, every time you organize a night out or drinks with friends. Just in case you didn't know!!!! It helps to have an idea of if the people you're going to be around will fuck with you!!!!!
This isn't about being worried about racism, it's specifically the way it's said that has complete american race-science brainworms. I will never take anyone saying something like "I'm 47.3% white" seriously, or anything remotely close. This is not normal behaviour.
Do you know what it is like to be a mixed race person in the US? This person is clearly having some problems with internalized racism and the fucked up effects of living under a white supremacist state and y'all are sitting here acting like they invented it themselves.
I mean obviously i'm not really blaming them, they're just doing what most people do in america it's a systemic thing, as you said a white supremacist state. This isn't really about saying they're specifically weird, it's more shock and confusion at seeing americans be this fucked up on these topics for people outside of the US like me. I can't stress enough how fucking weird it looks. I know why it is like that and I don't really blame them, but I still don't want to act like it's normal.
Yeah this is crazy that we're making out this person concerned about being a victim of racism as the one at fault
The Joke is her Delusion , (which is propably also your Delusion) . She is Assuming that she is traveling from the most Multicultural place into a homogenes white (therefor of course Racist) country. And its actually the other way around. You Americans never grasp the extend of your racist reactionary Island wierdness and indoctrination , it is very funny for the rest of the World.
Just one example --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany) <--
christ almighty could you possible sound more like a smug asshole ? crawl out of your own ass.
Strikes me as something I would write as bait, but I know some Americans are super bought into race science and don't know anything about the rest of the world so Idk it's tough.
