I'm pretty sure we would know from the Soviet archives whether or not this happened. This is so ridiculous
So between Stalin and the Nazis, the USSR lost about a third of its population within the first 30 years of its existence and was the first nation to reach the space age only four years later… somehow?
I think those Stalin estimates include all the casualties from WW2 because of "le human wave tactics" or some other bs justification
The majority of the 20million+ deaths on the Eastern front were from Nazis executing civilians, starting with Jews of the USSR. Liberals will ignore this fact because they sympathize with fascists.
Depending on the "source" they double-dip and count both Soviet and fascist casualties as "victims of communism"
Another popular one is treating births that didn't happen due to changing birthrates as deaths, since by educating women and giving them rights the Soviets hypothetically prevented many millions of people from being born which is basically the same as killing them, somehow.
Also popular is just doubling whatever number they heard last. They're fundamentally being disingenuous to start with so they don't hesitate to just straight up make things up or lie directly.
They stole every idea from the US. Sputnik was originally Spud Nick, who was an honest God fearing potato farmer.
·6 days agoin the regions of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, the Caucasus and within the Soviet Unions own borders
They live in a completely different world where Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and the Caucasus weren't part if the Soviet Union?
It's a post hoc imperialism claim justification if the USSR was involved outside Russia's border
Oh ya it's true, Stalin killed half the population of the Soviet Union, or in other words roughly the same amount of people who died in WW2, I was there I saw it, shit was wild
how else do you think le orcs managed to get nukes? Stalin just went 25-0 constantly, brother was geeked up
double genocide theory is imaginary equivalence and literal nazi propaganda and also a twitter community note
Bit idea: save a screen shot for every time the "XX million" number is used and save them in numerical order, then post a collage at the end of the year.
What do they mean by”AND within the Soviet Unions borders”?
All of those are within the borders.It sounds like the usual lib thing of being horrible to your own people is somehow worse than committing atrocities in other countries.
yes, the university of hawai'i are the experts on the USSR, they were located right next to the border of the USSR and first hand experienced Stalin spooning the dirt out of their land with the comically large communism spoon
That's why Hawai'i is a chain of islands. They used to be connected to the mainland, but Stalin dug up all the dirt, making it get filled in by water, trapping them there.
You know, some people estimate that I have a net worth of $2.4bn. Those people would be idiots.
I'm pretty sure we would know from the Soviet archives whether or not this happened
No no, you see, that's the beauty of it
How do people believe this? You make a claim, no matter how ridiculous it may be, and then you declare all counter claims and arguments to be invalid
Soviet archives? Either they erased or hid all evidence of their crimes (because they don't show up in the archives), or they intentionally didn't release the right information. After all, how are you going to trust a Russian?
Dispute the Black Books claims on academic grounds? Well you're just a salty tankie who [insert homophobic insinuations towards Stalin and Putin] and are probably paid 32 roubles an hour to post propaganda. What time is it in Moscow, Ivan? Naturally we won't investigate claims that the author is biased
It's fucking genius. It's a self perpetuating propaganda. Any evidence to the contrary is evidence of the thing, and any defense of the Bad is proof of a moral failing, turning one into a pariah
It's the situation of someone claiming a unicorn exists with the evidence being "I saw one" and because the unicorn doesn't exist, and they're just lying, there's literally no way to disprove them without attacking their lie.
Then the narrative is switched to how you hate unicorns, and your only attacking them because they like unicorns.
This site they linked is pure ideology it's so wild I don't know where to start comrades you have to go check this out http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
1996 ass website
Professor Rummel passed away on March 2, 2014. His "Powerkills" website will be maintained by the University of Hawaii Political Science Department. Please contact dougbond@fas.harvard.edu with any questions or comments.
lmao owned
What’s baffling is they thought this shit was so good it needed to be maintained for decades like wtf this would have been one of those rare cases where linkrot would have been perfectly fine.
No idea why a Harvard guy is responsible for it I think I’m gonna write him an annoying email debate lording him about it because there’s so many blatant falsehoods on here and it feels awesome getting under the skin of Ivy League dipshits
cos they're likely buddies considering Rummel taught at Yale
whats even more baffling (or perhaps unsurprising) is that the guy won awards, including a lifetime achievement award from the American PoliSci Association
I once got an A on a paper I wrote about Iran-Contra. Some community college professors are based.
his wikipedia page is wild, all the shit the dude who made this website says is insane
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._J._Rummel
History and Political Science Professor at University of Hawaii, Yale and Indiana, was convinced that global warming was a hoax to install Obama as lifetime dictator
this is his own summation of his alternate history book he released later in life, emphasis mine, it actually makes me squirm:
What if there were a solution to war and genocide? What if a secret society sent back to 1906 two lovers, Joy Phim, a gorgeous warrior, and John Banks, a pacifist professor of history, and gave them the incredible wealth and weapons necessary to create a peaceful alternative universe—one that never experienced the horrors of world war, the Holocaust, and the other atrocities of the twentieth century? And what if, at great personal cost, they succeed too well and create a peaceful world of complacent democracies? In Book 2, the clock is turned back to their arrival in 1906. They receive a message from the future of the universe they will create – Islamic fundamentalists have attacked the unarmed democracies with nuclear weapons and enslaved them. It is now up to these lovers to prevent this horrible future.
what if we were too busy saving the world from communists that we forgot about the islamists?? the horror
What's funny is the USA supports Islamists as a bulwark against leftism in Muslim majority countries. These people are either willfully unaware or intentionally lying.
I bet if someone actually could stomach reading the book, they would be able to tell exactly the point while he was writing it that they started fearmongering about muslims instead of communists and he had to crtl+F and replace all the "evil communists" with "evil muslims"
Just like Orson Scott Card's Pastwatch subtitled "The Redemption of Christopher Columbus" where the consequences of preventing the horrible European genocide of the Western Hemisphere is that cannibal savages build a massive militarized society and destroy Europe
Rummel estimated that a total of 212 million people were killed by all governments during the 20th century,[3] of which 148 million were killed by Communist governments from 1917 to 1987.
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a tenured crank who apparently hated tenure because he saw it causing 'Leftimania'
https://web.archive.org/web/20070519174724/http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005_02_01_freedomspeace_archive.html
this man fascinates me like he cannot be real
also I'm calling my communist Phoenix cover band 'Leftimania'
In my 2/21/05 blog “On Ward Churchill and Academic Leftimania” ( link here), I described the state of American universities, particularly the social sciences, humanities, and special studies or programs (woman’s studies, ethnic studies, etc.). In effect, they constitute anti-American, socialist, and leftist propaganda factories. I will refer to them all as leftsville.
requesting a c/leftsville
Part was mass murder, as of the wholesale extermination of perhaps 6,500,000 "kulaks" (in effect, the better off peasants and those resisting collectivization) from 1930 to 1937,4
- Conquest (1986, p. 306). "It certainly appears that a charge of genocide lies against the Soviet Union for its actions in the Ukraine. Such, at least, was the view of Professor Rafael Lemkin who drafted the [Genocide] Convention." (p. 272) The "Ukrainian famine was a deliberate act of genocide of roughly the same order of magnitude as the Jewish Holocaust of the Second World War, both in the number of its victims and in the human suffering it produced."(Mace, 1986, p. 11)
Perfect.
They are all "kulaks" now?
n 2 Is Lemkin, which if BadEmpanda is to be believed said that as an offhand comment and wasn't, you know, looking into whether it was a genocide. Also, while I hate to be a debate lord "that's a logic fallacy ergo post shit", it's an appeal to authority, whether or not Lemkin made the Convention doesn't make his opinion the grand truth.
n3 is double genocide theory.
Free people do not suffer from and never have had famines, and by theory, should not. Freedom is therefore a solution to hunger and famine.
Under capitalism hunger is an individual issue, under socialism hunger is an indictment of the entire system, etc etc...
Well I have to credit this guy's website because TIL that the quote about absolute power corrupting is literally from a catholic lord born to a baron LMAO
he was attached to Lord Granville's mission to Moscow as British representative at the coronation of Alexander II of Russia.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalberg-Acton,_1st_Baron_Acton
You can believe anything if you're unwilling to look into actual facts
I remember one of the very last arguments I got on over at reddit and the person I was arguing at brought up this Rummel jackass. Or rather, they linked to some anticommunist blog post where more than half the sources were this Rummel guy.
Stalin genocided all of its people and defeated the nazis at the same time.
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