The reason they level ad hominem attacks on Zenz is because they're propagandists. They also focus on Zenz because talking about the hacked leaks (Xinjiang papers, China Cables) would bring about comparisons to Snowden and Assange (who, consequently, never shy away talking about the dangers of the Chinese surveillance apparatus).
Worse, when they finally cop to acknowledging these camps exist, they use Orwellian language like "the steep drop in Uighur fertility rates is actually industrialization" and "we're saving these savages from themselves and culturing them" and "there's 30 million people in Xinjiang, what's 2 million anyway rofl"
Orwellian is double speak. Calling internment camps "reeducation centers" is one such example.
Yes, people say it here all the time. "There was a lot of Islamic Extremist separatists, and China was justified in reigning them in" Imagine if the US had swept in, put a bunch of Native American children in schools, and slowly socialized them out of their original culture? Oh wait...
“the steep drop in Uighur fertility rates is actually industrialization”
That's not remotely Orwellian. It's not remotely double speak. It's offering an alternate explanation for declining fertility rates -- the fact that fertility rates in all kinds of groups drop when they move from underdeveloped, pre-industrial conditions to modern conditions with education, greater material security, healthcare, etc.
If you say your car won't start because it needs new spark plugs, and I point out that maybe you just don't have gas in it, that's not Orwellian double speak, that's just an alternate explanation for what you're observing.
“There was a lot of Islamic Extremist separatists, and China was justified in reigning them in”
If you can't see the difference between this and "we're saving these savages from themselves" or "lol who fucking cares about 2 million Chinese people," once again, get the fuck out of town.
Just wanted to say that what hogposting said about population growth decreasing as the society's material conditions improve is p much universally true around the world. As material conditions improve and the less people are working sustenance farming, the less kids people have because they don't need free farmhands
So you're saying the birth rate of a group in an underdeveloped area dropped to the more-developed national average? And the only explanation you can think of for that is genocide?
Also, real bold move of China to do a super-secret genocide and then just report this information publicly.
If you think fertility rates being cut in half with one year after China decided to clamp down on the region isn't alarming, you're already lost to the kool-aid, comrade.
I’ll believe whatever State Department propaganda you can dish out
I mean, your ability to believe State Department propaganda is already on full display. You've demonstrated nuance the goes just above, "I root for the Boston Red Sox because FUCK THE YANKEES!"
The reason they level ad hominem attacks on Zenz is because they're propagandists. They also focus on Zenz because talking about the hacked leaks (Xinjiang papers, China Cables) would bring about comparisons to Snowden and Assange (who, consequently, never shy away talking about the dangers of the Chinese surveillance apparatus).
Worse, when they finally cop to acknowledging these camps exist, they use Orwellian language like "the steep drop in Uighur fertility rates is actually industrialization" and "we're saving these savages from themselves and culturing them" and "there's 30 million people in Xinjiang, what's 2 million anyway rofl"
Propagodas.
I don't think you know what "Orwellian" means.
lol no one here has ever said anything like this, get the fuck out of town
Orwellian is double speak. Calling internment camps "reeducation centers" is one such example.
Yes, people say it here all the time. "There was a lot of Islamic Extremist separatists, and China was justified in reigning them in" Imagine if the US had swept in, put a bunch of Native American children in schools, and slowly socialized them out of their original culture? Oh wait...
You said this was Orwellian:
That's not remotely Orwellian. It's not remotely double speak. It's offering an alternate explanation for declining fertility rates -- the fact that fertility rates in all kinds of groups drop when they move from underdeveloped, pre-industrial conditions to modern conditions with education, greater material security, healthcare, etc.
If you say your car won't start because it needs new spark plugs, and I point out that maybe you just don't have gas in it, that's not Orwellian double speak, that's just an alternate explanation for what you're observing.
If you can't see the difference between this and "we're saving these savages from themselves" or "lol who fucking cares about 2 million Chinese people," once again, get the fuck out of town.
Just wanted to say that what hogposting said about population growth decreasing as the society's material conditions improve is p much universally true around the world. As material conditions improve and the less people are working sustenance farming, the less kids people have because they don't need free farmhands
Have you seen some of these?
JUsT a COiNCidEnCe!!!11
So you're saying the birth rate of a group in an underdeveloped area dropped to the more-developed national average? And the only explanation you can think of for that is genocide?
Also, real bold move of China to do a super-secret genocide and then just report this information publicly.
If you think fertility rates being cut in half with one year after China decided to clamp down on the region isn't alarming, you're already lost to the kool-aid, comrade.
There's a two-year trend of declining national birthrate. Are they genociding the whole country now?
Ah, so controlling fertility is indeed "genocide"
I'm glad at least one of you came around to acknowledging the reality in the region
post hog and I'll believe whatever State Department propaganda you can dish out
I mean, your ability to believe State Department propaganda is already on full display. You've demonstrated nuance the goes just above, "I root for the Boston Red Sox because FUCK THE YANKEES!"
Look, do you really care about stopping China's genocide or not? Whip out your dick if you actually want to convince someone
I'll post hog when it's the year of the pig. (Jesus, imagine China devoting an entire year to police.)
gimme the hog you slob
Oh, sorry wrong link this is the one I meant to link.
its not 2 million its actually 500 million
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