Lol this is why republicans do it. They hate us both and conflating us deliberately owns libs and leftist at the same time
There's no way to fight this though, because it's entirely a product of right wingers not giving a fuck about what is true. They always just lump their enemies together into a monolithic threat. Liberals don't understand this though, so they keep purging their own party as if that will make the attack ads stop. Stupid bastards are just hurting themselves and us.
The libs have recuperated the term.. It may not be going away so quickly or easily. François Cusset, How the World Swung to the Right: Fifty Years of Counterrevolutions:
It’s true that the young rebels of the 1960s did not always describe themselves as “on the left,” but the period was much more strict and dogmatic ideologically. The term “left” was less present than were its doctrinal variants—Marxism, Leninism, Situationism, Maoism, etc. For everyone, from actors and adversaries to observers, these were pos sible contemporary forms of the idea of “the Left.” The idea was still alive, as it had been transmitted Introduction / 11through the social struggles of the nineteenth century, from the Belgian miners to the female workers of the Laurence Mills, from the New Deal to the Popular Front and the Marxist revolutions of the twentieth century. A historical continuity was still inscribed in the very idea of “the Left.” Today, however, no one mentions that anymore. The word is only faintly whispered by some, or pronounced with a twinge of shame. After all, it seems that the left/right polarity has become perfectly artificial. It was born with the first revo lutionary assembly of 1789 in Paris, where the arbitrary nature of a single chamber suddenly designated as “the Right” those who were seated to the right of the rostrum, whereas the Girondins, the Montagnards, and the antiroyalists were on the left. This rhetorical convention has had two centuries of rich history, but we can very well let it go. The more serious question concerns the doctrinal and programmatic content of the terms “right” and “left,” and their relevance today. On my end, the only reason to keep the term “left” is if it maintains one fundamental meaning, a meaning that is more vague than its doctrinal content but sharper than debates in the chamber: that is, the sense of conflict. “Left” implies an antagonistic position, a power of resistance, and a very general sense of counterhegemony in action. Hegemony today is maintained through conservative values, the entrenchment of norms, the exclusion of minorities, and via the chaotic triumph of neoliberal capitalism. If all we maintain in the use of the term “left” is this very general sense of active counterhegemony, we are also taking the risk of removing or modifying its precise historical ingredients: statism, social justice, hospitality, and the redistribution of wealth. But those notions have themselves evolved. To take a simple example, the social equality traditionally defined by the socialist project did not take into account sexual domination, or the postcolonial question, or the question of invisible and unheard minorities. If we want to integrate those issues, which are crucial contemporary questions today, we can no longer keep the same doctrinal content for the old term “left.” To stop the unfortunate cycle of recent decades, we must reinvent everything.
They're going to get demolished in 2022. They basically are going to spend the next 2 years trying to purge progressives (who did really well in this election!) and it's going to cost them huge.
There's already a huge gap between college educated voters and non-college voters between Dems and Republicans. To put it simple, Dems are becoming the over educated, smug rich people's party while the Republicans are some how making gains with non-college educated to the point they picked up plenty of working class voters this time around. The way to fix this is to embrace the progressives, since they attract working class votes. But the Democratic party will never do that. Every time in history they've supported anything left of center, they've had to be dragged, kicking and screaming the entire time. They aren't smart like the GOP who embraced the radicals of the Tea Party and later Trump once they realized it was their path to victory.
Turns out RepublicanLite don't work when you condescendingly talk down to everyone. People are sick of smug liberalism and we're about to have 2 years of them talking down to people for being STOOOOOOOPID not voting blue no matter who.
This isn't hard to predict. They lost seats in the House and failed to retake the Senate. Biden won't accomplish jack shit as a president and by 2022, Republicans retake the House, keep the Senate and set the stage for their own competent fascist to emerge for 2024.
They're trying to do that right now. They've spent the past 2 years trying to gerrymander AOC's district.
They’re going to get demolished in 2022. They basically are going to spend the next 2 years trying to purge progressives (who did really well in this election!) and it’s going to cost them huge.
Hard to purge the progressives when they're increasingly the base of your party. Chuck and Pelosi still need to raise money, and The Squad still racks it in. Sanders remains beloved nationally, efforts at tarnishing his image largely failing. People aren't going to look well on a bunch of Dem Losers screaming "You made me lose!" at a bunch of Dem winners (the DSA is stronger today than it was this time in 2018). Claire McCaskill is not winning hearts and minds. And BLM is not going away.
Turns out RepublicanLite don’t work when you condescendingly talk down to everyone. People are sick of smug liberalism and we’re about to have 2 years of them talking down to people for being STOOOOOOOPID not voting blue no matter who.
A bunch of no-names getting dunked on through Twitter aren't going to be the driving force behind Democratic policy into 2022.
Hard to purge the progressives when they’re increasingly the base of your party. Chuck and Pelosi still need to raise money, and The Squad still racks it in. Sanders remains beloved nationally, efforts at tarnishing his image largely failing. People aren’t going to look well on a bunch of Dem Losers screaming “You made me lose!” at a bunch of Dem winners (the DSA is stronger today than it was this time in 2018). Claire McCaskill is not winning hearts and minds. And BLM is not going away.
And the DSA isn't going to get anywhere by trying to work within the Democratic party.
If you go through history of the Democrats you can see this. Go back to Howard Dean, Jesse Jackson or even McGovern (the one left based candidate who won and they sabotaged).
That party isn't going to turn left. I know many of you don't want to believe it, which is why you'll be here in 4 years still trying to convince us it's possible when they nominate Mitt Romney to run against Dan Crenshaw in 2024.
A bunch of no-names getting dunked on through Twitter aren’t going to be the driving force behind Democratic policy into 2022.
Did you look at exit polls? That's what I'm referring to, not Twitter.
Exit polls revealed that the GOP picked up many working class voters and lower income housing votes than they did in 2016. They are slowly picking up the working class with their culture war BS.
On the other hand, the Dems raked in the college educated, middle class voters, which is what kind of party they are becoming. You see this with smug liberals are and how they condescendingly talk down to everyone. THAT is what the Democratic party has become. They spent this entire election cycle wanting to court suburban white people and calling Biden the "middle class president".
That party is not going to move left. They absolutely will make the move to push the progressives out.
This issue is though, the way our government is set up is to work exclusively in a two-party mode. If your goal is to win elections, it will not happen as a third party (though there are other reasons to be in an election other than winning i.e. the PSL's strategy). Every DSA member in congress other than maybe AOC (and even her I'm not sure about) will absolutely lose if they ran as a third party. Just waaaay too many Americans just vote for whoever has an R or D next to their name.
True, its damn near impossible to win if you don't wear the correct colors.
But will it matter if the party leadership squashes any attempt by DSA backed candidates to act in a progressive/lefty fashion?
AOC has to tread a fine line because of the conservative leadership of the Democrat party. Same goes for any other lefty that manages to pull off an upset and sneak into their seats. The paradox of "winning" only to find a huge weight either trying to drag them to the political right or just have enough force to keep them from moving anything to the left.
Honestly, the dems would Corbyn her (make her have no committee spots) if she wasn't popular. I think she is pretty standard social democrat, but that is too much for dems.
And the DSA isn’t going to get anywhere by trying to work within the Democratic party.
Holding office grants power. Winning Dem primaries improves the odds of winning general elections. The DSA doesn't need to massage Chuck Schumer's balls to get what they want. They just need to stick (D)s next to their names on ballots and make polite noises about Israel from time to time.
That party isn’t going to turn left
The issue isn't about the party but the people. And there is definitely a leftward turn happening among millennials and zoomers. At some point, these people need political representation. And that means organizing within a party. If leftists want to try and hijack the Republican Party instead (a la Aria DiMezzo) more power to you. But third party bids don't work outside of the municipal level, and leftists need an electoral presence to survive in a democratic state.
The real problem with leftists organizing inside the Democratic Party is the stench. You don't want to be associated with Jared Polis, Amy Klobacher, John Delaney, and Hillary Clinton. I can't blame you for that. But that's the nature of mass movements. At some point, you're going to have to rub shoulders with people you don't like.
Exit polls revealed that the GOP picked up many working class voters and lower income housing votes than they did in 2016. They are slowly picking up the working class with their culture war BS.
They picked up a bunch of people because Donny Pumps sent people $1200 checks with his name on it. Protestant Evangelism isn't what's driving the political discourse in 2020. It's material condition.
And while Trump may have picked up a bunch of no-college whites and Hispanics in Florida and Texas, he's lost much of his appeal throughout the Midwest while costing his party the perennial right-libertarian stronghold of Arizona. The culture war is a losing issue for Republicans. They're going to have to pivot and strain the definition of whiteness one more time while leaning on an American Exceptionalist image that's worn thin.
This sudden manic surge of voter participation is still just papering over contradictions that can't be sustained.
Holding office grants power. Winning Dem primaries improves the odds of winning general elections. The DSA doesn’t need to massage Chuck Schumer’s balls to get what they want. They just need to stick (D)s next to their names on ballots and make polite noises about Israel from time to time.
Does DSA hold any office power?
The issue isn’t about the party but the people. And there is definitely a leftward turn happening among millennials and zoomers. At some point, these people need political representation. And that means organizing within a party.
Did you read what I posted? I'm not convinced you did, so let me repeat myself one last time -
The GOP picked up mostly non-educated (politically correct term for 'poor' and 'uneducated') and lower income households. In other words, they are winning the working class.
They got their most POC support since the 1950s. Trump's support with black voters doubled and he also raked in Latino voters. To hear leftists on here say it, they think it's all cause of Florida and anti-communism, but he did incredibly well with Latinos in Texas too and across the country.
What does this mean? For one, it means that identity politics is bullshit and people are resonating more with their class level than any of the ID-POL junk that liberals obsess with.
Progressives have been trying to organize within the Democratic party for fucking decades. McGovern actually won his nomination only to get completely screwed and that was over 50 years ago! Like I told you, look at Howard Dean and Jesse Jackson. This shit ain't new. That party is never going to move left. It's a graveyard of social movements.
They picked up a bunch of people because Donny Pumps sent people $1200 checks with his name on it. Protestant Evangelism isn’t what’s driving the political discourse in 2020. It’s material condition.
You just revealed where you sit in terms of class, if you really think it's over those checks. Most people like me needed that stimulus, it helped. I could use another one right now.
The GOP is winning the culture war talks by constantly pointing out how out of touch with reality the Dem leadership is and how they don't give a fuck about working class people. It's not a coincidence that it worked well enough for the Republicans to pick up a lot of minority voters.
And while Trump may have picked up a bunch of no-college whites and Hispanics in Florida and Texas, he’s lost much of his appeal throughout the Midwest while costing his party the perennial right-libertarian stronghold of Arizona. The culture war is a losing issue for Republicans. They’re going to have to pivot and strain the definition of whiteness one more time while leaning on an American Exceptionalist image that’s worn thin.
Florida and Texas are literally red states LOL I don't know what the fuck you're talking about here. A Democrat hasn't won Texas since the 1960s. We hear this stupid shit every 4 years about "blue Texas" and it's just not a reality. Florida has been controlled by Republicans for a while too. Even when Obama turned them blue, they still had Republican governors. It's the state of Rick Scott, Marco Rubio and Ron DeSantis.
Did you pay attention to ANYTHING going on this year in the midwest? The Midwest is not this blue utopia that liberals claim it is. There wasn't a single Republican sitting on the city council in Minneapolis when the riots broke out. We are told over and over how the midwest is supposedly this liberal utopia where they have blue strongholds over all those big cities. Well guess what? Liberals control major cities that just so happen to have out of control, insanely corrupt police departments that murder people. America is racist all together. It's not contained between color coded maps like liberals think.
The answer to all of this from the Democratic party is that they need to move further right. That's what they did by nominating Biden in the first place. The DSA is not going to change that party, don't care how bad you argue it. You're living in fantasy land if you think the party that just ran Joe fucking Biden for president, is going to magically move left in the next 4-8 years. Meanwhile, the GOP is sweeping up working class voters and proving how useless ID-POL is. Dems will be shitting themselves when the Republicans prop up a competent fascist in the next election cycle.
Mostly city councils (and almost exclusively in blue states) and a few house representatives.
You just proved my point that the progressives couldn't radically take over the Democratic party in the same way that the Tea Party did the GOP in the same amount of time. Look at that list and it's no real power to change the Democratic party.
The key difference is; like I explained before; the Democrats have to be dragged, kicking and screaming the entire time to move left. They aren't as smart as the GOP who embraced the Tea Party and later Trump when they realized it was their best shot at getting back into power. The Dems don't think like that cause they have to keep their donors happy. They will tell the millennials and zoomers to fuck off and just get behind their moderate centrist candidates cause the Republicans are bad.
The only thing the Dems have to offer anymore is empty platitudes and identity politics, and that's what they're still going to sell people on. They aren't going to embrace the left.
Mostly city councils (and almost exclusively in blue states) and a few house representatives.
Yes. All of these positions carry power. Particularly in big urban areas, where a single City Council seat can represent hundreds of thousands of people.
You just proved my point
"DSA can't win in the party!"
"Here, these are instances where they won."
"THOSE INSTANCES DON'T COUNT! I WIN!"
Thanks Ben Shapiro. This has been a lot of fun.
If the bourgeoisie is already so repulsed by Warren
Lots of people are repulsed by Warren. It's not just a bourgeoisie thing. But Warren's entire claim to fame has been dunking on leeches in the financial sector. That's the only reason anyone likes her (beyond the Girl Boss shit and Klob / Harris do that better). She could have worn the Sanders crown if she hadn't done the Pocahontas crap and bragged about being a capitalist. Then spent the primaries dunking on Mayo Pete and Bustberg all the way to the general election.
The Dems moved mountains to shut down Bernie’s campaign
Sanders came out strong in the early primary states, swung California, and likely could have recovered in the Midwest if not for COVID. His organizing talent was unparalleled, but he couldn't bring it to bare with people locked up in their homes in mid-March.
However, as Bernie has sold out his political capital by endorsing Biden
This has always been how Sanders operated, and if you think backing the Dem slot marked him as a sellout then he was a sellout back in the 80s when he won Burlington's mayorship and backed Mondale.
The establishment elites will not, I repeat, will NOT let anyone challenge the sanctity of private insurance companies and the fossil fuel corporations.
They'll go where their base goes. The two are joined at the hip.
They won't go where their base goes. They will try to move their base. People should have learned by what happened to Corbyn that they'd rather sabotage their own party than let progressives become very powerful.
"Dems are becoming the over educated, smug rich people’s party while the Republicans are some how making gains with non-college educated to the point they picked up plenty of working class voters this time around"
Problematic take. The data doesn't quite give credence to that. Not because Dems wouldn't be smug and such, but because it lacks specificity in the analysis. To see what happened you ought to look into working clear people and the less educated groups and see that there are a lot of heterogeneous behaviors. Most of the 'gains' can be accounted for by turnout. Sure people voting is picking up people, but the focus on half baked analysis of just two polls and two axis will not be materially enough.
The sentiment of your post and the rest I am close with you.
I read through that thread and these libs kept arguing that leftists only did well this election cause they ran in safe districts, but you need moderates in swing districts, and not one of these fucking morons stopped to think for even a second that THE MODERATES LOST SWING DISTRICTS ANYWAY! WHAT THE FUCK DO WANT? MORE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES? WHY EVEN HAVE A CANDIDATE RUNNING AGAINST THE REPUBLICAN IF YOURE GONNA RUN ANOTHER REPUBLICAN ANYWAY?
All the moderates lost. All those moderate Republicans that libs love so much, they all lost too.
Libs bought into this BS about Republicans supposedly hating Trump and how they would "come to their senses" when he's gone. Turns out, that he is the most popular Republican president since Reagan and his turnout was greater this time around than in 2016.
They're going to go down a sinking ship by becoming the Republican party of old.
My Trump-voting parents legitimately said that the cops deserved it after the protestors burned down that Minneapolis Police Station. I have my criticisms of the "Abolish the Police" movements, not in terms of it's vision (I agree the police should be abolished), but it isn't fucking hard to reset a narrative.
All of my chud family members are extremely receptive to the idea of making the cops get liability insurance or taking abuse settlements out of their pension funds when I bring up that the cops are paying for it with their tax money. Like, this shit isn't hard.
There wasn't a single prominent democrat calling to "Defund the Police"(I wish they were that cool), and they're already blaming that on why they got fucked so badly. I'm glad all these "left wing" grifters attached themselves onto the Biden campaign because they're about to get fucked over so hard by a Biden administration lol
Spanberger is quite literally a CIA asset so I'm completely unsurprised by this
If your takeaway is that we should never even say the name of my ideology, then why would I give a shit if you lose? Go fuck yourself.
Edit: also imagine putting the entire blame on your close call on a single fucking attack ad and not the general sense everyone has that you're a fucking loser nobody likes.
Talib politely sets the record straight. https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1324459714793656320
"I almost lost!" I croak through the tears while wiping my eyes with the first place ribbon
