Like, okay, Biden sucks, we still have work to do, and, fuck, it might make some of that work harder instead of easier.

And in four years, if/when things only get worse, the general electorate might unite around a Bernie blessed demsoc, but what's more likely, imo is they also might elect a much much more competent fascist.

So, like, until then, are we just back to normal run of the mill neoliberalism again? Like a four year long eye of the storm?

Or are we still in the zone?

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We're going to be in the zone forever. Climate change is so much worse than anyone is admitting, we're going to see more macro-scale extreme weather events every year. Biden is going to pump reckless austerity, the Q cult's influence is going to be unpredictable but definitely horrible, the Democrats have been dragged further right than ever and are signalling that their electoral strategy for the next four years is a suicide charge in to the thorned embrace of the fascist right. Even with the senate Biden would just legitimize and normalize all of Trump's destabilizing bullshit. Evictions and covid and unemployment and debt slavery are all just going to snowball and get worse and worse.

    This is not a victory. We have won nothing. At least Trump was childish and difficult to work with, Biden is already pushing Obama's "reach across the aisle" bullshit and talking about Republican's in the cabinet. We're going to have all the bad shit Trump did, but run by slightly more competent devils.

    • OhWell [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      100% agree with this. It was not a victory at all. Dems won the white house, but made no gains in the senate and even lost seats in the house. All this is going to set up for a scenario similar to Obama's second term where Biden will just be a lame duck president unable to really do anything besides pass austerity and tax us.

      The Democrats have reinvented themselves as the college educated, smug rich people's party under Biden. Exit polls were pretty damning in evidence of this, as the GOP is starting to really take in working class and lower income households for a new voter-base. Trump got the most POC votes of a Republican candidate since the 1950s, and instead of realizing that this is a problem, the Democrats are just embracing their hidden xenophobic and whining about how 'stupid' those people are. This is scary, cause it means that the GOP is doing something right, and the next fascist can focus on wealth inequality and the class war - something that Biden is going to make 100X worse with his austerity.

      Trump was really a test run when you think about it. Back in 2016, it was like the GOP was testing the waters with him to see how far the American public would embrace fascism. In this past election, over 70 million people voted for him. That's a clear sign that we are close and getting there.

      Biden isn't going to fix shit. I predict in the next few years, new firebrand Republicans are going to start addressing wealth inequality and talking about the class war. When they start doing this, the Democratic party is 100% fucked, cause they had so many chances in the past 4 years to embrace even mild reforms and refused. They wanted to become the Bush era Republican party and they got their wish with Biden. Liberal media will start calling people racist any time they say the words 'working class' cause they have used ID-POL to create this myth that there is only the "white working class", however exit polls have proved that ID-POL is not working and now it's in the Republicans hands to run a competent fascist in the future and win big.

      I think the Q cult is going to evolve into something even more dangerous and the next reactionary far right movement is going to be a lot more desperate as a result of the depression we're going to be in.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      We’re going to have all the bad shit Trump did, but run by slightly more competent devils.

      We might get minor movement around the margins but none of the big problems we face will be remotely addressed.

    • JayTwo [any]
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      4 years ago

      By the zone, I mean a sort of social hypernormalization dealio. Like how Trump made the world weird, then we just got used to the weirdness.

      We're still fucked, but this feels like it's gonna gonna be a four year eye of the storm style reprieve from the hypernormalization, long enough for many to become complacent, until we're eventually thrown back into far worse insanity.

      I definitely wonder what's gonna happen with Qanon in the meantime, though. Especially as there's now Qanon congresspeople.

  • post_trains [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The Cool Zone is terminal, but it’s only apparent in retrospect and, even then, arguable. We might have lived much of our lives in it without knowing.

  • Classic_Agency [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    You have tens of millions of people with guns who believe that the election was rigged against them.

    I dont think there will be a civil war but these people are absolutely going to be giving the country a hard time over the next 4 years.

    • JayTwo [any]
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      4 years ago

      Fash mostly appear to take orders from their leaders, so I'm not sure what will happen.

      Like, there's always talk about how if they lose power they'll get more violent, but the opposite usually tends to be true. More power makes them more violent.

      If Trump is still allowed a Twitter, or if he gets banned from Twitter and goes to Gab or Parlor, they might treat him like their leader in exile. That's a possibility.

      And now we have actual Qanon legislators.

      So I dunno anymore.

  • JayTwo [any]
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    4 years ago

    I dunno if I was understood.

    Prolly my fault for not communicating well.

    It was more like, will things still get worse, but not feel as fucking weird all the time?

    Which isn't good, or bad, it just is.

    May be more bad than good, because all the libs (and many of the radlibs) will feel like they've gone back to normal, and then, in 4-8 years, boom, actually competent fascism.

  • fusion513 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    The Trump presidency was like the unrelenting, scorching heat of summer. No relief and it could really sap the energy from you.

    The Biden presidency will be like the cool breezes of autumn with some relief and lots of pretty colors everywhere...

    ...but do not forget to harvest and prepare while you can... because winter is coming and it will be brutal.

    • 420clownpeen [they/them,any]
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      4 years ago

      And the winter will be uh... actually hotter than the summer or the autumn.

      I'm not sure temperature-based analogies are the best choice for talking about the looming climate-driven crises.

      • fusion513 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I... uh... stand by my analogy. It's uh, gonna be the hottest winter on record... and it's gonna last a really, really long time... maybe forever. (And it could be the 'coolest of cool zones' in human history too.)

        ..screw it - what I'm really trying to say - is no, don't get complacent! As much as Biden wishes to "return to normal," there's no carrying on as if these past 4 years never occurred and things will continue to get very weird and unpredictable from here on out.

  • ChudlyMcChubbyPants [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    We get four years of them screwing the Overton window permanently shut around the world with their liberalization agreements, which might well be enough to seal all the cracks and end history for generations, until the resources run out.