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I feel I'm going crazy. I think too many people, libs and lefties, obsess about the violent part of a coup and just the word coup in general to clearly see what's happening in front of them. Trump is a crazy person that's said time and time that he isn't going to just leave and people are laughing even though he's taken steps to make it happen. I DON'T think we'll have a violent militant take over of office as no one is going to do that for someone like Trump, but using faithless electors and or not leaving is certainty still on the table IMO. Lefties who correctly point out the impossibility of the violent part that's typically seen with coups are ignoring the former scenario is essentially a soft coup. The pentagon staff he switched out won't be doing violence but be used as a weak shield of protection if he doesn't leave. Of course, if he gets the faithless elector thing going which this electoral law professor said is still possible he wouldn't even be throwing a coup, just using our sorry ass electoral college flaws to win a position for himself legally.
We push back against the libs civil war fearmongering, rightfully so, but we also underestimate a fucking crazy person that still has a lot of power and is actively kicking out defectors. I think it's absolutely crazy not to take a crazy man's bluff seriously.
the soft coup will happen in the courts, not via faithless electors. everything else is theater so that everyone is focused on the possibility of a hard coup with military violence and capitulates without a fight when the courts hand it to trump.
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He would have to get a lot of faithless electors, and a majority of states have laws against them, which the Supreme Court found to be enforceable earlier this year. He would basically be limited to those from NJ, NY, PA, and GA. I don't see how you convince such a large portion of committed partisan Democrats to throw the election to someone they absolutely hate.
Really? I've read some things that said a majority of states DON'T have a law against that. Plus all he needs is to have the republican legislatures on his side to pick the electors that are for Trump. When a Governor and legislature conflict with who they want their slate of electors to be, the VP is the tie breaker which leans in Trumps favor. This is what I've picked up from the law professors video.
Re: the first part: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector?wprov=sfla1
On the second point, are you sure that's not regarding how the state chooses the means electing electors? My understanding is that the electors have been elected by the public and that's that. But I'm not a law professor, of course.
Ahh, thanks for the resource, that eases my mind a bit. It's not as cut and dry as I thought with legislators picking the electors. That muddies up the waters a bit. The wikipedia article does say that the law has no enforcement mechanism (what does that even mean?) and spitballing here, Trump could just pardon anyone that gets into trouble for that, but it would take TONS of balls to do all that which IDK Trump is up to. Hmmm. I feel better but still not great. Hell, I'm probably the paranoid one thinking THAT far ahead.
2nd point, I think I was taking what that law prof said as what happens in every state in this country, but I'm realizing it varies between state. Some are elected, some I guess are picked by the legislature. He was talking about specifically PA but our country has so many different convoluted ways of picking things. We suck lol. OK, I'm realizing this is a very VERY uphill battle and unless Trump is picking the right people around him to make this work, I don't know if he specifically can pull this off. This worries me in the future but as for now, I'll just wait and see.
The constitution gives each state the right to decide how their electors will be chosen. In the past some were elected by the legislature, but for a long time each state has chosen to have them elected directly. It's possible Pennsylvania does give the legislature some power to override the popular vote, but it seems unusual. Also, I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the president's power of pardon only applies to federal crimes, whereas these are state laws.
The supreme court this year ruled that states have the authority to make it illegal for electors to break their pledge, and to punish them if they do (with jail, fines, whatever). What's less clear, iirc, is whether the state can actually stop them from casting the faithless vote instead of just punishing them after-the-fact.