I don't think the culture or political will exists to stop this in the USA. Biden won't take over until January when there will probably be 300k cases a day if they even keep testing at that point.
Once he does he won't support a stay at home payment, and most Trump supporters will resist masks and don't even believe there is a virus.
I feel like there are going to be empty rural towns across the US like there are in Italy.
300k is low, lol. we're doubling every 16 days. I imagine we're going to hit some kind of limit where there aren't enough people to infect but you should expect 400k/day in like two weeks...
I agree, but there is a lockdown in CA and NY which I think will ease some of the numbers. Also new cases need fresh exposures, which is going to be harder when everyone in a state has it already.
yea, as I said, we're going to run out of people who aren't already infected at some point but we're a long way from that point.
Wait were we really at 100k/day only 16 days ago? Time feels so fake I thought we had been at 150-200k for at least a month
Nov 4th, lol. and the election/trump rallies have definitely been super spreader events
This is what fucking scares me. Like I really don't think we're even going to see the same level of lockdowns in the places that had the strictest lockdowns earlier this year because everyone is just resigned to living like this now.
Going back to lockdown is hard enough mentally. Going back without any support is going to be near impossible.
There's one small hope, and it's 9/11.
Back during the first spike, when there were 1-2k deaths every day, you still had states refusing to take any action at all. But as I recall, once we hit that magical 9/11 death toll in a single day even the holdouts started to take some mitigation steps. I think there's still some power in the optics of "we had 9/11 today and we will keep having 9/11 on a daily basis until we do something." Of course, that was back when 9/11 could only take out baseball and the NBA. Round 2 is 9/11 vs. Christmas, and I'm not sure I like 9/11's odds.
Nah, it doesn't matter anymore. It only kills minorities and peasants. Even the rich darwinists are so steadfast in their beliefs that if it takes them they're cool with it, shoulda been stronger.
This is true, it absolutely don't matter anymore.
The next culture war thing is going to be liberals yelling at us about how STOOOOOOOOOOPID the victims were for not wearing masks. It is already becoming an argument of personal responsibility since Biden won the presidency. When he refuses to push any economical relief or lockdowns, get ready to hear "those stupid poor people deserved it for not wearing masks". We haven't seen the worst yet. It's going to escalate next year while we get told over and over that a vaccine is coming soon.
We shouldn't even be having football right now and they absolutely aren't going to shut that down. The NFL acted like the virus wasn't no big deal and did absolutely zero planning for it whatsoever, and have acted dumbfounded as players and coaches across the league are catching it. If NFL players actually went on strike and didn't back down, that would probably get us somewhere, but I doubt it happens.
This harkens back to that press conference Cuomo did sometime over the summer where it was revealed that the majority of Covid deaths had not left home and were complying with social distancing and lockdown orders.
If NFL players actually went on strike and didn’t back down, that would probably get us somewhere, but I doubt it happens.
Football is extremely hostile to labor - the entire system, from the quasi-military aesthetic that high school coaches love to use to the forced servitude of college football to the rampant safety issues that get ignored for as long as possible at the pro-level - so lol at that one
This harkens back to that press conference Cuomo did sometime over the summer where it was revealed that the majority of Covid deaths had not left home and were complying with social distancing and lockdown orders.
I've had 3 friends die from COVID, and my best friend just got out of the hospital with it. I can't talk to my friends who are gone, but the one I can speak with, he swears he was wearing a mask when he caught it. Swears by this. It's down right dehumanizing when liberals say that the victims were just stupid for not wearing masks. Not all of them are chuds denying the existence of this virus. Most of the deaths are exploited poor people to begin with.
Football is extremely hostile to labor - the entire system, from the quasi-military aesthetic that high school coaches love to use to the forced servitude of college football to the rampant safety issues that get ignored for as long as possible at the pro-level - so lol at that one
After all the moaning and whining over black players kneeling during the stupid anthem (something that wasn't even a deal for every game until 2010-2011) I can already see it, if players did go on strike over COVID. It would make NFL fans lose their collective minds.
It's weird to talk about people who make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars as "hyperexploited", but compared to every other pro sport, 2020 NFL players are like dehumanized robots. They literally fatten up 16 year old kids to weigh 300+ pounds so that they can repeatedly smash into other 300 pound kids for a 1% chance at doing the same thing for free for 3-4 years in order to get a 0.1% chance of maybe making some decent money for 2-3 years before they get dropped like a bad habit. The number of 40 year olds playing in the NBA, MLB, NHL, any soccer league vs the NFL really tells the tale.
I noticed that years ago when I used to dig into NFL history. I grew up in the south and football is basically a religion down here. If you ever live in Alabama, the annual Alabama/Auburn Iron Bowl game is pretty much the most important event in the state to most people. Even when those teams are having down years, people follow them religiously.
My dad got me into football as a kid through card collecting. It's one of the good memories I have from my childhood with my parents, cause my mom was into it as well. My dad had an impressive collection dating back decades with so many classic players. He had all the greats of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Plenty of John Elway; Dan Marino, Ronnie Lott, Ken Stabler, Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, all the stars for the 90s Cowboys dynasty teams and the Buffalo Bills teams that lost 4 consecutive Super Bowls, Brett Favre, Steve Young, etc etc.
Some time in my teen years, I got curious looking at these old cards and started doing research on the old players. Earl Campbell is crippled now and can barely walk. It's a wonder he's still alive after a short NFL career and how it completely destroyed his body. The 1994 Chargers Super Bowl team is often considered a cursed team due to how many deaths they've had. Junior Seau committed suicide back in 2012 due to concussions he had suffered, and several of their deceased players had health problems as a result of weight and injuries sustained from football.
You'll see this time and time again with former players. One player I had tons of cards of was Thurman Thomas, running back for the SB loser Buffalo teams. Thurman Thomas is in really bad shape today with Parkinsons and from suffering CTE. It's really sad to see him in the state he's in and there are hundreds, if not thousands of former players like this. Football chews them up, destroys their bodies and spits them back out.
And the scary thing is that conditions were better in someways for players 40-50 years ago then they are now. Bigger hits and more people playing through concussions, but also less repeated trauma and smaller players (325lbs smashing into you does a lot more damage than 250lbs). The college system also wasn't as exploitative back then.
There's probably ways to make the game safer, if players actually had some sort of consciousness and power like they do in the other major leagues (to an extent anyway), but the entire culture needs to be completley overhauled imo. Getting rid of the NCAA would be a big step.
Thinking of how conservatives acted towards a few people in NFL who kneeled during the anthem, the collective meltdown of NFL corona strike would have been wold.
LOL it wasn't just conservatives though. Obama of all people called out Kaepernick for kneeling and said it was a disrespect to the military.
I used to run an NFL history and data blog. I was big into advanced stats and calculating the metrics of DVOA and other advanced stats with historic teams and later moved into breaking down old film of historical players and teams. As a result of my blog, I spent a lot of my free time on various NFL forums. I made some friends on there and generally had good times when people wanted to analyze film and so forth.
But when Kaepernick first kneeled, I mean, holy fucking shit I cannot even put into words the reaction from those fans. 2015 season was an absolute nightmare and it all began when Trump was gearing up his presidential campaign. Every NFL forum I posted on became this war zone of people arguing over the anthem kneeling. The breaking point for me was just a few months in and seeing fans call for Kaepernick to be shot. It got so out of control, there was an exodus from one team forum that had a lot of apolitical and more liberal leaning fans who were so disgusted that the mods allowed calls of violence on these players. But that was only one forum. ALL of them were filled with right wingers losing their minds.
Come 2016 after Trump won, I had pretty much become inactive on all those NFL forums and I even had a few moderators send me emails wanting to know if I was OK and if I would come back. I asked them to delete my accounts and that I had no plans of coming back to the communities After January of 2017 I deleted my blog and never looked back. I haven't really been able to enjoy football ever since, and I'm a fan of a team who has been a consistent playoff contender in the past few years. After a few years of this, I've grown to really hate the NFL. Them changing the Washington team's name and now wanting to put 'Black Lives Matter' on fields after all this shit, is a huge joke.
“LOL it wasn’t just conservatives though. Obama of all people called out Kaepernick for kneeling and said it was a disrespect to the military.”
yeah youre right. how could i forget the great RBG hated on it too
They pop up in lifestyle sections with "Another Town In Italy Is Selling Houses For A Neat $1" or Instagram. Basically all the young people have left these small towns to go work in cities, so small towns with elderly populations who are dying need new people. I see a similar thing happening in the USA but because of COVID deaths but in reverse, the loss of elderly people making services and businesses unsustainable so people leave and it accelerates.
Man maybe 2bed/1bath houses out here in my rural neck of the woods won't be fucking $250k anymore
That just sounds like a working sabbatical for rich young people who can do construction.
Yeah they have some contract where you have to spend like 5 years there, and it costs a bunch to repair the abandoned houses.
Same vibe as that reddit dyi post where a couple got "tired of the rat race" and retired to the turkish country side to buy and restore a b&b.
Unless/until a vaccine becomes available, Trump leaving and Biden entering the WH will do more harm than good.
Right now the chuds are somewhat complying with mask and distancing orders.... with a Radical CommunistTM like Joe Biden in the WH they'll #Resist all of the health guidance.
A lot of them complied under Trump to some extent to not make him look bad. Now a lot of them just won't care.
Yeah, good luck with a national mask mandate given that 40% of the country (and even more cops) will refuse to comply, let alone an actual national shutdown lmfao (which tbf, even China did not do)
He's gonna do what lib Governors are doing, which is complete inaction except they come on the tv every week and beg people to wear mask
Ah yes, it's my favorite. They could use their control over vast public resources and powerful public institutions to bring a swift end to this public health problem, but instead they make it a matter of personal responsibility. It's like climate change and telling me to fix it personally, by riding a bike. I fucking love it, and I miss Stalin.
Yep exactly. Nothing is allowed to be a systematic problem, everything must be the fault of individuals
I don’t think they'll put Biden on TV every day. Maybe canned addresses, though.
If you want a vision of the future, just look at Europe and dial it down based on how CHUD your state/city is. That's the ceiling of what the US is willing to do.
This is a weird post. Your dad has an investment firm but he's afraid of losing his son's investment because it's a sizeable chunk of his firm? Most investment firms I know have have $100 million under management at minimum, and those are on the very small side. Are you fucking loaded or is your dad's investment firm a garage based grift?
Is he actually certified as a planner or money manager? There are some pretty strict laws surrounding taking people's money like this
Lmao tbf NC isn’t like ground zero or anything. But yeah I am eagerly awaiting next week to see how many of the local dumbasses back home out east are on snapchat posting stories drinking maskless at the only open bar in town lmao
"Blackout wednesday" is going to be a real problem after an entire semester of no football tailgating and limited partying.
So fucking depressing.
Everyone I talk to thinks a vaccine is about to come out and that will be a miracle-cure-all and everything will just go back to normal. Even if a vaccine happened tomorrow, this pandemic has proven that the US healthcare industry is not set up to deal with something like this. Who knows if the vaccine will even be affordable let alone if it actually works? It would probably take over a year to properly distribute a vaccine and god knows if anyone could afford it who is not rich, or taking into account all the anti-vaccine people (a chuck of the population is just going to refuse it outright). None of this is counting the economical apocalypse. I lost my job back in May and have struggled ever since. So many jobs lost, so many businesses shut down that aren't going to magically come back with a vaccine.
The virus has become so normalized that people are getting desensitized to all the deaths. They are just statistics at this point. I 100% expect some time next year after Biden enters office, liberals will be screaming about how the people who are dying are just STUPID STUPID STUPID and accuse all of them of not wearing masks. He don't even support any economical relief or lockdowns, so it's going to escalate so bad next year while everyone around me is still yelling about a vaccine.
At this point I have completely given up. I have zero hope and know if I catch it with my pre-existing medical condition, I will likely be dead. I expect all of this to continue to escalate and we will be in a great depression some time next year. This virus has been 100% proof of how fucking evil our ruling class is and the government that they control. Instead of holding them accountable, people here just blame victims for being stupid and not wearing masks, or they hope that a vaccine will magically appear out of the fucking blue.
For one, it's hyper normalization. Just like in Adam Curtis' film, as the soviet union was collapsing economically, everybody knew it. But, nobody knew what to do about it. So if the leader said "go about business as usual", then that's what a lot of people did. We have no alternative that makes sense to enough people for it to become a thing.
And second, airports should stop the TSA checkpoints now. What's the point? To stop another 9/11? That's just three days worth of covid deaths. Put that department to better use. How about taking people's temperatures when they enter the airport instead. Airplanes are being flown with no empty seats. The numbers are so high because people are catching it everywhere. They're getting it on planes, in schools, in restaurants, at work. Our organized efforts to stop this are pathetic to non-existent.
The US has spent the past 40 years defunding, deregulating and privatizing every industry it has ever had that offered safety nets. The pillars of neoliberalism. As a result of getting rid of everything, they just up the military, police and security budgets. We could easily have healthcare by cutting a chunk of the military's inflated budget but that will never happen.
We're headed towards collapse indeed.
. Just like in Adam Curtis’ film, as the soviet union was collapsing economically, everybody knew it.
For some reason I don't see this enough. Y'know, a lot of analysts in the 70's and 80's thought that the US and USSR were starting to look very similar in how they operated. That idea was "disproven" when the USSR collapsed but honestly I think that it was correct, we just had some more gas in the tank to keep on keeping on for a bit longer but I think we're gonna go down the same way
The CIA had a big incentive to exaggerate the "threat" of the USSR in order to continue to justify their mission.
True to a degree. Both sides lied about the USSR being socialist. The soviets, because it was popular amongst their people; and the Americans because it was not popular. (Credit to chomsky.)
We don't even need a TSA at this point. Why is anyone flying besides critical work, where you can easily just do extra screening anyway? That's a prime example of a state organization that could have been re-directed for 3-4 weeks to actually deliver food to people or do other shit back in March/April to get a hold on things.
I want a vaccine as badly as anyone, but I’m at the point I’m almost pissed off at the news every day on the newest “promising vaccines” because it really is giving everyone false hope and making them act less safe 😔
The Pfizer vaccine made a lot of news where I live, but not one mainstream report about the CEO selling off over 60% of his stocks after it was announced, or the fact they've provided very little evidence that it works in all age groups and with people like me who have pre-existing medical condition.
A vaccine is not going to bring the jobs back either. That's what a lot of people fail to understand. This an economical apocalypse. We could've at least used some kind of relief fund to help workers who are struggling, but congress wasted most of the year pointing fingers back and forth and not wanting to do anything for us. Biden will come in next year and push austerity and probably give us tax credits at the expense of completely his lifelong career dream of defunding social security.
Or that it only works at really extreme levels iirc so transportation will be difficult.
And sadly until the economic issues affect them, people won’t care that a lot of people are unemployed now sadly. They may sympathize with all the deaths and etc and may outwardly sympathize with workers struggling, but they won’t see it as a big issue in their minds. At least the people I interact with :(
I've already been told "well, just get a job as an essential worker". I'm sure that will be what we're told more often next year.
The next far right reactionary movement that comes out of these economic conditions and as a backlash to Biden, is going to be worse than anything we've ever seen before.
The CDC indicates that actual case numbers could be 6 - 24 times higher ( !!! ) then official cases (depending on the region). If we choose somewhere in the middle and times it by ten, that would mean that roughly 1/3 Americans has been infected.
Just search “cdc covid 6 to 24 times higher” but I think this is the study:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/10.1001/jamainternmed.2020.4130?guestAccessKey=7a5c32e6-3c27-41b3-b46c-43c4a38bbe00
I don't want to be the first person to do it, but once like three other people in my neighborhood start firing guns in the air I'll probably fire one into the ground in my backyard, because firing into the air is dangerous and stupid.
I'm sorry. This sounds commie to me. DO YOU HATE FREEDOM!?
It's like all the fash countries are voluntarily incompetent or something.
I don't know of any official projection, but I am pretty sure we'll break 300k the first week of December.
Nice number crunching. Add to that the death rate going up as hospitals run out of room and nurses. I think it's be 4 or 5 thousand a day
