basically the reasons the doctor keep the arm was "I kept this guy's arm as a relic to tell myself I'm a good person!" like idk what to say
basically the reasons the doctor keep the arm was "I kept this guy's arm as a relic to tell myself I'm a good person!" like idk what to say
Vietnam vets are such a mixed bag. You either get crazy chuds who mourn we didn’t kill enough of them or ones who figured out we were the invaders and immediately protested the war after coming back.
They were all pieces of shit
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Yeah I wouldn't say it's "good" but it's surely a way to knock some class consciousness into some people.
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surely.
correct me if im wrong, but isnt this the nazi soldier defense? "they were drafted! they had to!"
like, im sorry, i know propaganda is strong is america but the choice between jail time and slaughtering innocents by the millions is clear. plus, yes there was propganda, but there was also a pretty important anti war movement? and people heard stories from their families and friends about what was going on there. and i think its unfair to all of us (the the vietnamese, americans, soliders, etc.) to give them a pass on this. you dont have to go around screaming at them or whatever, but the vietnam war sucked, and every american who helped participated in genocide is both a sucker and a murderer.
we as a country need to learn to deal with our genocidal past and present. and how much nuance is needed on this website about this anyway? people say "kill cops" and ACAB and literally post clips of cops dying and getting beaten here, but heaven forbid someone say "vietnam vets are pieces of shit?" that ....confuses me.
there's definitely similarities, but there are nuances. the nazi soldier defense is a legitimate defense for random grunts who consisted of poor people on the front line who were forced to participate in the armed forces of their country at the time, but not for those that volunteered. every soldier drafted from germany in wwii is considered a nazi. the defense falls through when they're fucking guarding a concentration camp.
cops aren't drafted. they're fucking voluntary. they're all bastards.
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okay, thats fine, and even a good point! im also sure many cops could tell you "it was the only job available and i had to take it to feed my family" and in a lot of cases it would even be true! the job market in rural places and even some isolated cities/suburbs is abysmal. but that wouldnt not make them a piece of shit. becoming an armed oppressor, taking on that mantle to save yourself is.....well, i can understand it, but i dont think i can fully forgive or reconcile myself with it.
but then again, i dont have to. its not my country they committed a genocide against. i couldnt ever bring myself to ask victims for nuance or understanding over a genocide. im happy this was restorative for the man in this case, but we have to accept this wont always be so. i believe we have to reconcile with the overwhelming negative impact our country has had on the lives of millions and we have to do that without caveats and concessions for our own feelings on the matter, or else will always learn to justify it.
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Deeming an 18-year-old soldier 100% responsible for their choices is inconsistent with what we know about brain development, especially when there's a national propaganda apparatus talking them into the wrong decision. We can't (rightly) recognize how kids should have their development factored in by the criminal legal system (when there isn't national propaganda taking them into crime) but then turn around and ignore all that for 18-year-old troops.
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying let teenagers completely off the hook for serious crimes. I'm saying it's a factor we should (and sometimes do) consider in a criminal context, so it should be a factor here, too.
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“Oh no a draft now I have to willingly massacre and brutalize POC. Oh well, draft said I had to! It’s not like I could just take the prison sentence and not go and support imperialistic genocidal war!”
it wasn't even a 'people of color' thing back then, they specifically targeted communism and basically threw everyone in the same boat as the nazis.
i already acknowledged that you could take the cell, but some of those people had families and shit dude. like if you have children and have to support them and you going to jail means everyone in your household is ostracized and they'll actually lose their home, it blurs the lines a little bit. it's not always so simple as we make it out to be.
like you, i will, and boldly at that, say i would take the cell, but to simplify this shit to 'them all being pieces of shit' ignores the class war.
do you give the rich draft dodgers more points because they didn't go slaughter them? they didn't because they had a fucking choice and the draft didn't fuck with their livelihood. the government was basically like 'you do this or we will ruin your fucking life and your family.'
Also, a dishonorable discharge is (for most purposes) equivalent to a felony on your record.
And a felony fucks you over in a dozen different ways.
I give rich draft dodgers more points for not facilitating genocide. Badempanda had a good video on this
rich draft dodgers did facilitate genocide by participating in the class war in the first place. they always send the poor.
Yeah and the poor Americans supported the genocide by committing it
yeah, for sure, but you need to put an asterisk on that shit and explain the circumstances.
Because they hated communism and non white people
because they were poor and the government held their lives hostage.
They were willing to comply
yes, they were. and you can totally hold them morally to a fault there. i just don't think it's quite so black and white as 'they are all pieces of shit.'
It is black and white. They were all awful people
medics too huh? just everyone of them?
Yes.
Yes.
yeah i dunno about that dude.
They healed the mass murdering child raping woman abusing communist killing racist xenophobic pieces of shit AmeriKKKans
if we're just going to throw everyone under an umbrella then we're all fucked.
Death to America
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So why do you support Americans
i don't, i just recognize that material conditions exist and so does propaganda
You are literally reiterating the propaganda without nuance, only using the socially prescribed "nuance" the general muriken public has been using for almost 50 years now.
And they choose to believe that propaganda
i'm not sure it's a choice for them. i'm not a neurologist or anything, but generally propaganda has seemed to have some kind of effect on people's brains that they aren't exactly aware of.
It sure was a choice for me
Are you literally claiming to be immune to propaganda?
he's built different
You can opt out
...of like, society?
Ted K.
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I’ll watch it, but I may disagree with the Ayatollah
it wasn't for me. i just naturally doubt a lot of shit and question things. a lot of people don't seem to be born with that characteristic.
Then expose them to propaganda.
it's a quantity thing.
Hell, give me the keys to your truck and I’ll deliver Mao to Fort Bragg
only if it's on the west coast
Dammit
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lmao every single person working in a hospital in the US is a piece of shit in that case
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I remember that
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Thank you. I'm going to ignore everything that didn't matter before you said "but"
Upvote me if the libs are at it again and getting upset over this quality post
They’re upset at me hating imperialism
Unless not all troops means only the ones who parodied their commanding officers in Minecraft (I believe it was in pre alpha back then), then 🙄🙄🙄
All troops are bastards.
Every last one of tjem
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I’m not an anarchist
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Eat shit, Vaush
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Reddit
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cope
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