Like, I see this very frequently here. People are making some really nasty "jokes" and endlessly complaining about white women and white girls etc, and it's just so obvious so much of the time that the "white" thing is just a facade to hide the sexism. Like seriously, when you make jokes about how girls fuck dogs or whatever, but you specify WHITE girls, it's still garbage incel humour. It's always white women this, white women that. Like, why do you feel such a pressing need to specify they're women? At times like this it just shows how male this sub is. And not just male, but also very white, which makes it even cringier when people do le epic white women thing.
Good post, just want to add the dog fucking "jokes" is definitely an incel meme, google the dogpill if you want to ruin your week.
Seconding this, if you've ever seen a site like 4chan, the nexus of inceldom, the incel content is h e a v i l y bound up in racism.
Yeah that's really interesting.
Someone said every otherwise stupid ideology uses a partial truth as a hook- some narrow area where it's actually more correct than mainstream thought. That must be the incel hook.
They're very aware that personal appearance is a highly unforgiving and influential aspect of human life. And for many people, they're right - their appearance might be ruining their lives, and nobody wants to acknowledge that that's even possible.
Funny thing is, because the individual members are generally hetero men, they have no way of judging their own appearances. So a lot of them look fine lol! Even good, generally not 10/10 hot because they would notice, but sometimes pretty hot.
But the ideology is kind of developed and sharpened by those members who really are quite ugly, like maybe they have a congenital problem, injury, or are overweight etc. Since everyone is just atomized sitting at their computer, everyone starts thinking about themselves like they were born with a really socially debilitating appearance.
Yeah bit of both, I agree the body dysmorphia is the primary cause, but also it's durable because of their monoculture
google the dogpill if you want to ruin your week.
Man, incel wiki is legitimately hilarious. The combination of idiotic incel lingo, scientific jargon and quotes from studies and what not makes me lose my shit.
It is basically "Ben Shapiro asking for AOC feet pics" the wiki.
Person deleted their post.
https://hexbear.net/post/54884/comment/528746
CW: incel shit
The post was something like "inside you are two dogs. You are a white women" or similar
Yeah I'm unironically thinking of starting an Anti-Incel-Aktion bit account similar to the VolcelPolice. I understand alienation under capitalism is a fuck but we need to stay clear of incel talking points
We need to make more memes saying shit like "You don't hate women. You hate capitalism"
but white women have literally tried to ruin my life. again, just my experience but yeah
So I remember a lot of people talking about the whole "Karen" meme about white women being nasty to service industry people was low key misogynistic because it focused on white women. But I'll echo this sentiment, customers of all stripes can be awful, but white women do seem to have this bizarre vindictiveness and cruelty that make them stand out. Men will yeah their heads off and and become angry red and nude, but seem to forget about it after a few hours. White women will go on weeks long vendettas against some 19 year old dude who ordered her the wrong sized canning jars, to the point they'll figure out what high school he went to and start sending emails to the principal about how he "sexually harassed" her (true story).
White women being vindictive and cruel towards service workers is the gendered version of white men doing all that they do.
Lets use some chud logic here and take that same anecdote and apply it to other ethnicity+genders. "Indian men tend to do this" "Mexican women seem to do____ negative thing".
Eh, fair. All my evidence is totally anecdotal but it’s is something I’ve observed.
i will also say though that ive posted here (the old sub really) many times bringing up the racism in the sub and was slammed with dms calling me the n word.
Really? Was it Chapo posters or random reddit weirdos lurking/stupidpol?
I feel like early in its life, Chapo could've either gone the Cumtown/stupidpol brocialist route or been a place of genuine solidarity and I'm very glad it broke the latter way.
CTH2 was made after a struggle session about gun control (in ye olde days when a lot of CTH posters were genuine libs) and pro-gun people split off, but it never sustained itself and was already a Garfield shitpost sub by the time the sub closing happened
Idk, I think I was around when it closed and I believe CTH2 was already a thing. But I'm not sure.
I'm glad you've found this site to be better, and I hope you keep calling racist shit out when you see it. White feminism definitely has a LOT to answer for.
Yeah that's my impression too. Lots of weirdos lurked on the reddit sub. I don't miss them.
I mean it's insanely easy to make an account here, and mods don't see DMs so there's probably a number of trolls and CHUD fucks derping around here waiting for opportunities to DM racist shit
I thought the whole "white women fuck dogs" thing was just a commentary on the fact that many of them care more about dogs than they do about most people, not saying they literally fuck dogs
That's actually the exact opposite. The "joke" is that white women are so self-centered and picky that they would rather fuck dogs then men, of any race.
White men think the same thing about women of color, big time. A big part of that is because interracial dating still has a "taboo" element, people who date across racial lines are more likely than average to be into "taboo" things.
Every race of men thinks that other women are "loose" compared to their own. That's ancient tribal possessiveness.
That's probably why we see things the opposite, haha. There's a general sexist "loose other" stereotype that exists everywhere. Men in Latin America/the middle east think that blondes are easy. White men who go to Asia think it's like a sexual buffet with the locals or tell disgusting jokes about "spicy Latinas" or black women being baby mamas. Lots of gross fetishization on all sides.
Noted. I wasn't using that phrase anyway, but I'll make a point of not using it in the future as well
There are times when gender is extremely relevant--like for example, when that white woman walking her dog called the police on the black man birdwatching and changed her tone on the phone to sound breathless and scared. That definitely had a "white man please save me, a helpless white woman, from this scary black man and his bbc." And we all know how situations like that have ended. But on the other hand, sometimes the "jokes" do reek of misogyny. I'm fairly inured to shit like that at this point, but this is one place where I'd like to have my "shields" down, if that makes sense. If you want to talk about white women and our sense of entitlement etc, I'm absolutely here for it, but jokes like the dog-fucking one . . . what exactly is the point being made with that?
The dog fucking thing was an incel "joke" and I recoiled when I saw it here. Definitely some fucked up shit.
You're right that there's circumstances where we should critique white women, but let's not stoop to incel shit to do it.
Agreed, a lot of it is in how you do it. I didn't see the dog fucking joke, but it sounds incel tier.
There is that one woman who does fuck her dog and then blogs about it, which is kind of hilarious to me.
Okay but that joke is funny as hell just because of the absurdity of incel brain. I know the dangers of irony becoming unironic, but damn, when it is set up in a way that mocks incel brain it is hilarious.
That being said it isnt posted that way in a lot of cases, and we should fight against it
There are times when gender is extremely relevant–like for example, when that white woman walking her dog called the police on the black man birdwatching and changed her tone on the phone to sound breathless and scared.
I mean yeah, but that's something very specific. It's a more general tendency some users here have which is very annoying.
but jokes like the dog-fucking one . . . what exactly is the point being made with that?
I honestly don't know and it actually gave me pause because it was super weird to see it here, and with 30+ upvotes. Maybe some of the people upvoting it didn't realize what it was saying?
Yeah, I included the first part not so much as a response to you so much as an attempt to head off anyone wanting to go OH NOW WE CAN'T CRITICIZE WHITE WOMEN BECAUSE IT HURTS YOUR WITTLE FEEWINGS??? CAN'T YOU TAKE A JOKE????!!!!!
The internet has made me careful.
I think it's also important to recognise that white women are also singled out because liberalism feminism has co-opted the language of POC movements only to crush them under the boot of class and racism.
White men are not singled out because they are so reactionary I would expect it's assumed as a default position.
However I appreciate your post as constant vigilism is important
It's like when libs complain that we are always criticizing Democrats but never Republicans. Yeah, we know Republicans are shit, we're pointing out that the alternative is shit too.
I only drink pumpkin spice lattes as an ironic performance art satirizing people who drink pumpkin spice lattes, since I'm better than them.
honestly seeing all the memes, i had such high hopes for pumpkin spice lattes. when i had it though, it was just okay. definitely not my favorite starbucks drink.
Kind of disappointed you didn't come up with this struggle session tbh.
my precious students
I've finally figured it out, BASED_BALL has been Big Money Salvia all along.
I can agree by a lot, as a trans woman, it's so tiring that the largest fucking leftist space I know is filled with these brocialist-types.
I don't actually see this very often, but I agree that it happens more than it should.
Agree with everything except the incel part. Makes it sound like sexism is fringe/radical vs. widespread.
Agree with everything except the incel part. Makes it sound like sexism is fringe/radical vs. widespread.
Sure, I was just talking about what that particular joke sounds like, because it is exactly where it comes from.
I mean yeah, Karen isn't misogynistic despite what shitlibs say because the focus is on the class part, not the woman part.
I dunno, on twitter everything and everyone is eventually a Karen. It's basically everyone who oversteps some boundary and gets into someone else's business and also every white woman ever now.
OK but consider this: twitter is basically Satan offering a free sneak peak of hell.
Agreed. The Karen thing is deeply sexist. It's like a bourgeois friendly version of bitch.
STFU and tell your friend’s ex that he’s handing out her nudes you coward
Idk, at least when it started it started from like service workers referring to a particular kind of person who goes at lengths to piss off workers and get them into trouble with their jobs, and the name was very catchy, very white, and very upper middle class. Not sure how it is used on twitter now because I avoid that hellsite like the devil.
The incel meme is a mind virus that demonizes the most repugnant of the dropouts from het social normalcy while discouraging any understanding of the psychological or social factors that brought them to that point.
Makes it sound like sexism is fringe/radical vs. widespread.
Under late capitalism, everyone is an incel. The covid thing has merely accelerated the atomization
The Uyghur people are the victims of an attempted ethnic cleansing program by the Chinese government. They do this in the 21st century via internment camps wherein ethnic Uyghur males and females are separated from each other forcibly. Thereby, you could technically call this Uyghur situation a case of involuntary celibacy
- the incel wiki
Never use the coward's "/s". Write your sarcasm more better or take your downvotes like a good poster.
The correct solution is to add more emojis to the original post
As an agender person who generally views the world in a very un-gendered way, it is pretty sus to me how often people will bother to specify that they’re dunking on white women, not all white people. Why bother to do that? Are white men totally fine? Why would you think white men are totally fine?
I don’t disagree with you about white feminism and the tendency of people to overlook the ills of white women. The issue on this site, however, is that people will sometimes make sexist jokes and tack “white” onto the part about women to try and make it more palatable. A good example is the comment discussed elsewhere in this thread about white women fucking dogs, which is just a common incel joke about women.
Well I don't know how widespread it is but that comment had like 30+ upvotes so...
