“American medics officially registered their first Covid-19 patient on January 19, 2020, but the findings in a paper published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggest the virus may have been circulating in the US prior to that.”
“The researchers studied almost 7,400 blood donations made in nine US states between December 13, 2019 and January 17, 2020. Evidence of Covid-19 bodies antibodies, the presence of which suggest a person had contact with the virus, were present in 106 of those samples, according to the study.”
“This means coronavirus could have been in the US a month before it saw its first confirmed case, and weeks before the Chinese authorities announced the infection in the city of Wuhan.”
I know this is just a joke, but I'm going to repeat what I said in the other post about this, because I think that this is a pointless debate for people to spend their energy on.
This article says that the first Covid cases were in the US before the Chinese government "confirmed" that there was a disease. Deliberately poor wording on the part of RT. But the earliest of these positive blood samples (not all 106 of them, just the earliest ones) date to December 13th, and the first symptomatic carrier of coronavirus has been identified, by the Chinese government, as a man in Wuhan who presented symptoms on December 1st. We now know that the most dangerous thing about the virus is that it lives and spreads through asymptomatic carriers, so the December 1st man can't even be identified as patient zero. And I haven't seen a study of blood samples taken from Wuhan residents from before December 1st. If the virus had come from the United States, there would have been a similar bloom of cases in these areas before the virus got out of control in Wuhan. The speed at which the virus spreads is well documented from super spreader incidents; the probability of the virus percolating in the United States without setting off a massive infection before the spread in Wuhan doesn't make sense.
And on top of all that, it doesn't matter. The United States obviously had a worse response to the coronavirus than China, arguing about where it started only strengthens the resolve of people who think it’s China’s fault and want to absolve the United States. Viruses have existed since before humankind; it's only that our extremely globalized society allows them unprecedented access to more humans. So the virus came from a wet market or a factory farm, so what? Ending capitalism isn't going to end viruses. The global communist utopia is going to have to deal with covid-99 the same as we did, they'll just do a better job of it.
Focus on the very real failure of our government to deal with an unpreventable catastrophe, instead of wondering if it was preventable in the first place, otherwise we'll be no better prepared when the next pandemic comes.
Oh trust me I know it doesn’t matter it would just be funny :party-sicko:
No it wouldn't. If you say anything remotely positive about China's response to COVID they just straight up say China is lying. "Well if it was in the US in Dec 2019 then it was definitely in China way before that."
It's always either that or China's response is just a fortunate side effect of them being "authoritarian" so our freedom-loving government being unable to just pay people to stay the fuck home is an unlucky consequence of our magnificent freedom.
I'm not sure what this is referring to, but I'm guessing the conspiracy theory is that China welded the research labs' doors shut so its scientists couldn't warn the world of COVID?
What do you think the C in CDC stands for idiot? It's the China Department of China. It's a propaganda organization. You're an idiot for trusting it.
100% agree with this post and just want to add, RT is a bad source. They're the Russian news site that never posts anything about Russia. They'll put a microphone in the face of anyone who criticizes the US government. They used to have Richard Spencer on there and several far right conspiracy theorists.
They’ll put a microphone in the face of anyone who criticizes the US government.
Inshallah
Holy shit. I just want it to be true. Not for any good or productive reason, I'm just in a fucking mood today and this would vibrate well with it.
I can think of a good productive reason: maybe the anti-Chinese sentiment in the US will quiet down some. And perhaps a couple more people will realize that factory farms are fucking horrible and go vegan.
You really think it'll be that and not "those fucking Chinese snuck it into our country first to make us look bad and take the blame!"?
I don't know, you're probably right. The media and also the government certainly seem to be working very hard to drum up anti-Chinese sentiment and surely they won't let something pesky like facts stand in their way.
Well the Chinese military would be absolutely stupid if they didn't see the damage a relatively low death rate disease has caused to the western world and double down investments into bioweapons.
so I watch DemocracyNow! 's headline news today, and while Goodman was reading the news about Covid-19 being in the US in December, the footage they played over her voice were scenes from a US Chinatown...
Spanish flu started in Kansas, so there's historical precedence.
It'd also make sense for how overwhelmed we are with it. People not giving a fuck aside.
It came from Southeast Asia. Bat diversity, amount etc are higher there
they also have virtually zero deaths. The entire country of Vietnam (100M people) has 35 covid deaths
It was at first harmless, then mutated once in China (and possibly other areas) into a more serious form, then mutated again into the deadly European version which didn't affect China because everyone had already gotten the prior forms by then.
IMO it's also a population density thing, if westerners lived at Asian density levels the prior forms would have spread completely without giving a chance for the deadlier forms to take root
I got the flu (or so I was told, the test came back negative but they said it has a high false negative rate and I had the symptoms so they chalked it up as flu) back in january. Ever since then my breathing has been fucked up, I wake up every morning struggling to breathe, I get out of breath really easily, my lungs hurt all the time. Maybe I should look into antibody testing.
If you had it in January I don’t think you’d be able to tell through an antibody year. Don’t take my word for it because im not sure but I thought they went away after 7-8 months
Shit I hope you're wrong because wouldn't that make a vaccine a lot less effective?
no, your body keeps "memory cells" to be able to quickly produce antibodies again if necessary, you can still be protected even without currently active antibodies
Jesus that sucks. I hope as time goes on you'll start to feel better. This shit is the worst.
I honestly can't foresee it getting much better any time soon. I doubt the Biden admin would try any real measures but if they did the chud masses would revolt against even more than they did earlier this year.
We're betting everything on the vaccine but I don't think it's a given that we can get 70% of the population vaccinated. Dark times ahead
Especially if they don't put any legislation or provisions in place that ensure it wouldn't have to be paid for by the recipients. A lot of states were (possibly still are?) doing a thing where they would provide free covid testing but it was some stupid bullshit where your insurance would pay full price for it and the state would reimburse them. So if you didn't have insurance you were SOL.
I got super sick last November to the point where I failed two classes because I was sleeping so much. Holy fuck.
One theory I heard is that Covid had already been circulating during the 2019 flu season and had spread to most countries resulting in small outbreaks that didn't get detected or connected together. It took a critical mass of people getting it at the same time for it to become an epidemic and eventually pandemic. So we will likely never know where it actually started.
This seems incredibly unlikely and not how that would work but What do I know
It is considered inevitable that a pandemic causing virus would result from American industrial agriculture. With the bird and pig shit providing a disgusting breeding ground. It was surprising that it came from the 'frontier' instead of the 'core.' And doesn't mean that there won't be another pandemic caused in the bioindustry.
I think the 09 swine flu came from Mexico or possible California due to factory farming.
I saw something months ago that said it showed up somewhere in Europe--France, I think--well before the first case in China.
my whole household got a nasty respiratory infection in late December, in Ohio
in hindsight, it was possibly covid
Had something that time in NH... worst "flu" since I was a child, followed by a watery chest for about 2 months. Couldn't take a breath without it sounding like someone stepping on a wet towel.
I got really sick right after coming home from a cruise in December. (As did my whole fam, even my parents who flew home 2 weeks later). I think maybe we got it in one of the airports because they were staggered by 2 weeks and we all only got sick once home.
Started as a dry cough and just feeling like shit, it got worse and I think I got a little pneumonia. I didn’t go to the doctor at all because I hadn’t met my deductible and it would be a waste to pay full price in December, but I was probably the most sick I’ve ever been and it was for 2 weeks.
Afterwards I felt fine, but I had a persistent cough for about a month afterwards.
I dunno, if it came from TERF Island or Canada or something that might be even funnier.
