state atheism is bad, change my view
I agree. Governments ought to be secular -- neither pro- nor anti-religious. And solidarity with religious leftists is a must for our future, imho.
People can believe whatever fairy tale they want but keep it the fuck away from the state tyvm.
Also if your church is counter revolutionary say hi to the kulaks in the gulag for me
China exists. It has state atheism. It works.
Just because Stalin failed does not mean state atheism is bad.You preface your position with "militant" but this is a negative adjective all by itself.
If you aren't worshiping personifications of Logic and Reason while massacring catholic peasants in the countryside are you really doing militant state atheism?
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You were saying?
I thought you were talking about the USSR, not state atheism in general?
What does "militant state atheism" actually mean here? There are still plenty of churches and religious people in modern-day Russia; it's not as if the USSR banned religion and tried to eradicate it.
the world is what we can observe, all superstitious bullshit of any variety should be separated from the government
that should really be the default view. why would i feel any differently? why do you feel that your ideal government would incorporate belief in magic?
If the government is secular, it is explicitly excluding decisions based on belief in magic. That is "militant state atheism." There is no in between. Either you take the stance that the world is what can be observed and tested, or you take the stance that it is legitimate to make decisions based on magic which cannot be tested or observed. Those are the only two options for a government.
solidarity with religious leftists is a must for our future, imho.
I completely agree with this, but it has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, because if these religious leftists believe the government should incorporate their religion, they are no comrades of mine.
if the people rise up against their oppressors, you will not see me shed any tears just because those oppressors called themselves priests
Considering there are tons of churches and religious people in Russia today...
the world is what we can observe
That's true, if you assert it axiomatically. It's verging on naïve realism and isn't going to endear you to too many people.
Look sweaty if they didnt do that they'd immediately fall prey to cia imperialism.
White people do not have a right to decide whether state atheism gets imposed on nonwhite peoples. Many black and brown communities are heavily religious and attempts to secularise them play right into racism. Indigenous cultures the world over have spiritual beliefs integrated into their worldviews, the line between culture and religion is not so clear there and attempts to take those away would veer very close to the same cultural genocide they suffered from colonialism.
In the US context and the contexts of other white settler colonies, state atheism post rev likely won't be a thing, because it's a eurocentric concept developed from the European experience and won't work elsewhere.
Also as a side honestly who gives a shit if someone is religious, so long as they arent reactionary it's not a problem at all.
I literally explained why in my comment. Especially re: indigenous peoples. They need to work it out for themselves.
