She has a daughter that is the same age as him. Jesus christ :france-cool:
and when he was her student. so in addition to the age difference there was a pure power imbalance because she was in a position of authority over him. also I think the relationship started a year or two earlier than 15 and that's only when they started banging
So, essentially, the president of France was sexually abused and now is with his abuser?
Comment reports: Being weirdly misogynistic and homophobic at the same time
just avoid the hur hur gay politician joke that libs keep doing and you'll be fine fam
no, you don't understand. The french are simply more o p e n and a d v a n c e d than americans. When they do creepy sex pest shit, it's okay actually. We just don't understand it.
im gonna say, i'd prefer a government of sexually abused than sexual abusers
Love how supposedly everything the US does is shit, all their ethical norms are shit but their puritan views on sex - noooo that one is just good and perfect, don't you dare criticize! Lmao.
Where did I mention wanting to fuck children or saying others should fuck children?
You're arguing that penalizing people for fucking kids is "puritanical", specifically in the context of a teacher doing it to a student. And you're very, very adamant about it.
The teacher-student part is cause for concern because of a likely power imbalance. But the French state (and with a lot of support throughout the greater French society) deems 15 to be mature enough. Someone has suggested a borderline theocratic (and certainly socially much more conservative and traditionalist) Erdogan's Turkey to be a viable alternative. Or the US that has a history of very twisted, repressed, commercialised in the extreme and puritanically derived views on human sexuality and intimacy. Which is ridiculous.
I was a 15 year old, hung out with 15 year olds, some were having sex with peers, some weren't, pretty much all guys wanted to bang hot older girls and quite a few of the girls had much older boyfriends. Derive from that what you will.
Smh shaming non traditional relationships, go off king macron :didnt-kill-himself:
everything racists say about Muslims is more applicable to Euros
Bonus: When you look at age of consent laws in Europe (there's a link itt), you'll find that the only European country that has its age of consent at 18 is Turkey.
It's the standard American response and this side is American dominated. 20 year old guy with 16year old girlfriend is pretty fucking normal in many cultures. Same with legal alcohol consumption just one big moralist circlejerk.
Chapos when they discover the age of consent laws in europe and realise France only put theirs up to 15 in 2018 :hillary-disgust: :stalin-stressed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
Is this really true? The other day I was looking into this petition that a bunch of French intellectuals in the 1970's made to abolish age of consent laws and it said that back then the age of consent was already 15. The petition was in response to some guys having gotten punished for having sex with 13 and 14 year olds
macron taking care of his wife and making sure she can't be prosecuted, eh?
Do they not consider child grooming a crime? In what world is a high school teacher having sex with a student acceptable?
In a protest against his reform of the pension system (notably for public servants), I saw a « What did you expect? Macron is used to fuck old teachers » sign.
i remember hearing about this on the subreddit and looking into it, but in my brain i somehow thought she was "just" like 10 years older than him until i listened to that episode. the US sucks but at least when teachers fuck students they sometimes face consequences and end up going to prison for a while
I think that she is that older in itself isnt that much of a problem (Well, it hints to a lot of problems, and such an age gap doesnt make a relationship any easier). Its the fact that she is a pedophile that is the problem here and that they started this when he was still a kid.
Which is even more fucked up. Also I want to believe in love and stuff, but there are some pretty weird dynamics going on here. Big yikes
Well, caring about your partner is pretty standard in relationships (and so many men can't handle basic household tasks). The fact that she has the experience and age that establishes her in a completely dominant position in a formative period of his life is where it gets creepy
Yeah, exactly. My point was that caring for your partner is one thing and normal, but this here is very incestual on top of the pedophilia.
Nah, not really. People consider the same things as creepy and weird
Really? All people everywhere consider exactly all the same things creepy? Any way you can back up that extraordinary claim?
I have a very big brain that allows me to compute such things.
Awesome! Hope you can put those superhuman computing powers to curing cancer and solving the climate crisis. Even fusion would already be amazing really. Thanks in advance 😘
So would you say that the US has policy that is more evidence and science based?
Also I'd love to see some studies to back that up. Asking in good faith because all I see is outrage and would like to actually know more.
Something claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Also I didn't say anything about modern Albania but Albania under Hoxha
So teenagers also shouldn't do extreme sports like surfing, bmx, snowboarding, freerunning, etc. either? What about the modern DPRK, Cuba and PRC? What about the DDR which generally according to a well known study had higher sexual happiness than West Germany?
The part of the brain that evaluates risk is practically non existent in teenagers
How are they "obviously completely" different? Dying or getting paralysed from a sports injury is generally much more likely than from having sex. And I don't know if you maybe came into this world fully formed as a middle aged person but yes, I have been a teen and, if you can imagine, even (gasp!) a pre-teen. In my experience the level of maturity and sexuality/libido has varied greatly among my peers (I would even claim that, for biographical reasons, the statistical significance of my personal experience is in all likelihood quite a bit greater than yours).
That's very different than talking about general risk assessment then, innit?
Is grooming prevalent in extreme sports? Are adults luring children to participate in these dangerous activities? Do they tell kids, "Don't tell your mom about us snowboarding together. It's our little secret. I'd get in big trouble if anyone knew, and you wouldn't want that, now would you? You're so special to me. Nobody else loves you or understands you, but I do."
But you've mentioned the grooming angle only now. Before you exclusively talked about risk evaluation. Hope you yourself don't get a sports injury from moving those goalposts so vigorously.
Uh, that was my first comment on this topic today. I just thought your comparison didn't make sense.
Ok, my bad, got you mixed up with the previous poster. My sincerest apologies!
Brace Belden might be on the Pentagon's payroll but he does put out some good podcasts. I've read lots about how Macron is a marinette for finance capital but somehow this personal detail never made English language news?
it did make English language news, I remember making jokes about it on the old sub back in 2017 in the leadup to the French election
it was just mentioned obliquely and not played up since he's a capitalist stooge
Why would English language news do this to us? They are always so honest.
:shocked-pikachu:
what the chapos said about libs thinking that the teacher-god is watching and judging makes sense now. the lib of libs married his teacher and now has that observer around him all the time, even after graduating
My brain refuses to compute French presidents. That's the one thing it won't do
