These projects should be closely studied by anyone making the case for an ecosocialist GND, of the Hawkins variety more so than the watered-down AOC variety.
Agreed. Stopping desertification is good. Greening a historical desert is maybe good. Posting picture of sand hillside and green hillside next to each other when they're obviously not the same hillside is bad.
As long as they’re not wiping out desserts, I say keep going China.
On a serious note, the articles themselves aren’t that bad, but the headlines are a pretty poor choice of words considering the topic.
Unverifyable clickbait is bad propaganda. Posting figures from peer reviewed articles showing these changes is good propaganda.
https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018ISPAr42.3.2127Y/abstract
The effects are very slight
So where exactly did you get this notion of "very slight"? Did you even read that article?
Another more recent article also including 2017 data: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-78665-9If this argument is about "vanished form the map" or "wiped out" then yeah those headlines are trash.
Can we get some remote sensing/ geography academic articles about instead of horrifying clickbait with stock photos and by side pictures from different locations?
We can do better than Q-pilled boomers folks. If this is true , it should be well published. Better propaganda is made with verifiable facts than clickbait. We cant clickbait ourselves into a revolution.
Edit: the whole desert didnt disappear and only greened a little bit actually. https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018ISPAr42.3.2127Y/abstract
Look, if we say our ideology is scientific, we don't have to apply critical thinking or evidence based inquiries to anything else.
Good point, I would love to see more evidence that these policies are doing what the headlines imply.
Here's a documentary posted here a while back
Here's an interview with a woman who was part of the forest farm project from the beginning
Also looking up Hebei province on a satellite map shows just how much more green it is compared to the surrounding area.
It's crazy that China is one of the only countries trying to do something about climate change and the West is still able to fear monger about them.
I agree but also disagree, the right shows every day that you can just make shit up that sounds good, I think it's about tailoring to your audience. If I wanted to convert a load of dumb chuds, I wouldn't just straight make stuff up but I'd sensationalise the fuck out of propaganda. It's like when leftists debate conservatives, the right-wing viewers just want to see a lib get owned, they don't care about facts, which is why I want to see a leftist who is good at roasting people just straight bully Shapiro or Crowder. Maybe we can train one up, raise funds for an improv class lol
might be a reference to images from taiwanese bdsm clubs used as evidence of torture in chinese gulags
Oh my god do you have a link that sounds hilarious. I'm scared to google this if I mess up.
I love you holy shit this made my morning
Twitter is just as full of genocidal maniacs as reddit when it comes to China huh? So ready to nuke Beijing they'd do it over a guy getting his rocks off.
this is probably the closest (by way of Qiao Collective who always delivers)
I know it's probably just an artifact of Google translate being shitty, but the phrase "barbecue-style execution" amuses me to no end.
Yes, fuck the natural world for existing, I guess? All the creatures and plants that evolved there are dumb!
Seriously, there's a big difference between "reclaiming land lost due to desertification from climate change" and "hey, this desert has been here for millennia, let's change that".
this desert in specific has been getting more and more desertified due to human interaction so it is the first for sure
Also I think it's important to note that we're uhhh cooking the planet and uhhhh we might need to start thinking of creating habitable zones for any kind of life or something idk.
Turning desert ecosystems with tons of endemic species into giant industrial ag monocultures is praxis, actually
concern for the extirpation of endemic species is eco-fascism
Thats a hot take
is this forest as real as the one the sino-forest corporation defrauded everybody on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Forest_Corporation
Green Wall of China, aka "Three North Shelter Forest Program" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Program https://ecobnb.com/blog/2019/07/china-the-new-green-wall-which-will-stop-the-desert-advancing/ https://earthtalk.org/green-wall-china/
