bonus points if you get banned for sharing it

i'll start: most "vote blue no matter who" liberals are actually good people (not including terminally online liberals as anyone who is terminally online is a bad person)

  • booty [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Drives me nuts that there's basically no community where common sense regarding religion is actually observed. Religion is invalid from the outset. Saying you believe in a god should get you treated the way you would be treated if you said you think unicorns and bigfoot are out there. Like, no need to be malicious about it or anything, but you're just wrong.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Saying you believe in a god should get you treated the way you would be treated if you said you think unicorns and bigfoot are out there

      I'm an atheist, but that is a completely ridiculous statement. For better or worse (and I tend to think worse), religion is part of the fabric of most societies, it's not comparable to stuff like bigfoot.

      • booty [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Alternate universe where everyone believes in bigfoot and only fringe weirdos believe in gods:

        I'm an asasquatcher, but that is a completely ridiculous statement. For better or worse (and I tend to think worse), bigfoot is part of the fabric of most societies, it's not comparable to stuff like gods.

        • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Well we do not live in that universe, we live in the universe where religion and spirituality has played a key part in the human experience, since the beginning, and has evolved alongside us. Every culture on every part of the planet had some kind of spiritual belief system at some point..That's the point I'm trying to make. It's here now, and it's not going to disappear. Even if people abandon religion as a belief, they will not be abandoning the spiritual traditions that they grew up with (see how many atheists still celebrate Christmas for instance). The influence of religion will continue to exist long after we die, even if the majority of the world is not religious/atheist/agnostic by then.

          • booty [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Religion and spirituality plays absolutely no part in my human experience and doesn't need to play any part in anyone else's either.

            Hunger has played a key part in the human experience since the beginning but we'd like to eradicate hunger.

            It's here now, and it's not going to disappear

            You could say the same about capitalism with just as much evidence.

            Even if people abandon religion as a belief, they will not be abandoning the spiritual traditions that they grew up with (see how many atheists still celebrate Christmas for instance)

            Celebrating holidays does not necessarily have anything to do with religion or spirituality, regardless of where those holidays originated. I'm saying people should not be taken seriously when they state that they believe in the supernatural, and you retort by saying, "But it's not bad when people get drunk and throw a party on a specific calendar day! Curious! very-intelligent" It's a complete non-sequitur.

        • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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          1 year ago

          Religion is ritual first and belief second. It's only Christianity that flipped this around to place an emphasis on belief over ritual. That's how some dude who only goes to church on Christmas can get away with calling themselves a Christian if he believe in Jesus when this is completely untrue for every other religion. For almost every other religion in world history, religion is more about what you do than what you believe in.

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        You can tell the posters railing against religion in its entirety would never have been able to gain ground in the global south, let alone their own neighborhood.

    • Grownbravy [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      kill the redditor in your head.

      there are religious marxists, it doesnt invalidate any of their leftist stances.

        • Wheaties [she/her]
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          1 year ago

          Religion is often the only remaining space for a shared sense of community and culture, in a world that is increasingly being reduced to crass market relations.

          The USA has a particularly abhorrent strain of Christianity, please don't judge all of religion for it.

            • Dolores [love/loves]
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              1 year ago

              I am genuinely confused as to why defending it seems to be the most popular stance here

              a) not harassing the few religious users

              b) imagining a targeted minority on the end of every criticism, instead of the prosecutors. like it's technically correct that 'christian' is a characteristic shared between MLK and a baptist minister calling for lgbt genocide from the pullpit, but it's a bit dishonest to act like socialists are talking about the former types when yelling about christians.

              c) sometimes people say incorrect things in criticism of christianity, and we've a heady collection of pedants that dunk on that. i don't think it really counts as 'defense', but anyway

            • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              I mean that sincerely, I am genuinely confused as to why defending it seems to be the most popular stance here. I can not understand that

              As a fellow religion hater for the exact same reasons as you, it might help to seek out a different perspective and talk to people from different walks of life. There are plenty of Christian gay/queer people, there are plenty of people who lived under colonialism and neocolonialism that are Christian. They managed to square the circle in a different way to us religion haters, and it's worth listening to their perspective.

                • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  there is no way to square that circle without lying to yourself and having cognitive dissonance,

                  Yeah for you and me, that is true. For them, it is not. Otherwise they'd also leave their religion like us. That's what I mean by listening to other people's perspectives. Openly Christian gay people clearly think there is nothing in their religion that requires them to discriminate against themselves, and it's interesting to listen to why they believe that. Maybe they believe certain bible verses are taken out of context, that old testament laws don't matter anymore, or who knows, maybe something else. I don't know because I'm not religious.

          • ilyenkov [she/her, they/them]
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            1 year ago

            Religion is often the only remaining space for a shared sense of community and culture

            And our goal is to create a new world, where that isn't the case. Not to try to cling to whatever pre-capitalist fragments we can.

          • yoink [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            this isn't exactly unique to the USA and it isn't unique to Christianity either, let alone the USA prosperity flavour of it

        • xj9 [they/them, she/her]
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          1 year ago

          militant atheists are not a good vibe that's for damn sure. having an aversion to religion is fair. I've seen my white friends struggle with shit that I just do not understand with their weird white church stuff. I don't really get it, but I try. still wanting to exterminate all religion kinda seems like an overreaction?

          my Latino upbringing was nothing like that. when I quit being christian I hopped naturally from the ambient curanderismo I grew up with right into trying to find my way into nahua spirituality. 🤷🏾‍♀️ not to say that religion can't be harmful or that there's something inherently good about my spiritual practice. state religion? probably always going to end up fucking people up. i don't disagree there.

        • Cherufe [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Religious evangelical POC are rewriting the chilean constitution to ban abortion and were a factor in the rise of Bolsonaro in Brazil a few years ago.

          There is a growing religion fever around here and its being mobilized to attack anyone who is not a cishet man

          Edit: Im not anti religion on hexbear perse but I totally understand why marginalized people would be

      • booty [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        societal environment

        I live in the deep south, atheism is not only not socially acceptable here, it wasn't even understood throughout my childhood. Nobody would say "wow not believing in god is evil you're a bad person you're going to hell" they'd say "what? you dont believe in god? that doesnt even make any sense, ive never heard of that"

        None of this made it "common sense" to believe in any gods. Common sense remains that believing in things without evidence is foolish.

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