I’m trying to redirect their rage about the system to a leftist perspective but they’ve gotten microwaved brains by anti vax and dumb conspiracy websites
My parents are disillusioned former Democrats who sit on the fence over Trump. One day they are all for him, the next day they remember he's a moron reality TV star. My dad voted for him, but not my mom.
Getting them to move left has been a painful process. They were really into Bernie Sanders for 2016 and when he lost, they didn't want to vote. When 2020 came around and they watched him get entirely screwed for Joe Biden, they kinda snapped, cause Biden brings back a lot of painful memories for them as they suffered immensely from the 2008-2009 recession. My parents became angry, bitter people after suffering through that and seeing Biden brag in campaign ads about "fixing the economy in 2009" absolutely pissed them the fuck off.
All I heard yesterday from not just my parents, but all my relatives, including the one aunt I have who did vote for Biden; they all ranted about how Dems screwed this stimulus and made Trump look like the good guy. Most of my family are disillusioned Democrats. My grandparents quit voting for Dems after Hillary was nominated and my parents quit after Obama. But they all sat there and agreed yesterday that at least with Trump they're getting more and they are dreading Biden's presidency. For my grandparents, their fear is legit in how he wants to go after social security, which they live off of.
I kinda feel lucky that even though my family hates Dems, and will go as far as to the flipflop around on Trump, at least they aren't into conspiracies.
I've been talking about that on here for fucking months. If the left could pull their heads out of their asses and focus everything on the working class and building solidarity for a working class movement, it would help. Instead, the left is really a bunch of people arguing over identity politics and infighting over stupid shit. You get called a "class reductionist" for bringing this stuff up, but it's true.
The GOP got their most votes from working class households and minorities since the 1950s. That should tell everyone that the common people aren't buying into the empty platitudes and identity politics that the Democratic party offers anymore. Actually, it should scare the living shit out of the left that the GOP's message to the working class is beginning to work to such a degree as they move further towards fascism.
Fascism has historically been rooted in offering a solution to help the poor and working class. I've been saying this for months; the minute the GOP starts addressing wealth inequality and talking about the class war, it's over for Dems. The Dems have spent the past 30 years moving further right since the "third way new Democrats" of Clinton. They just elected to president, the most right wing politician they've had since then.
The left needs to get their shit together and start organizing with the working class or we are doomed.
Any reading suggestions that cover this topic? Like for example a history/analysis of how fascism functions materially
Fascism: what it is and how to fight it, by Leon Trotsky. Which is actually just a collection of essays from various other publications, but it’s exactly what you’re looking for
I have to believe that the guys at Davos name things deliberately to stoke conspiracies. Who thought "the great reset" is good branding?
Ever been to a company exec meeting? Lots of over paid people trying to find fancy phrases to make old things sound new and exciting.
"The Great Reset" is great branding, if you're one of the people who get invited to Davos. It makes if seem like you're taking charge of the world and resetting it to a better path.
“The Great Reset” is great branding, if you’re one of the people who get invited to Davos. It makes if seem like you’re taking charge of the world and resetting it to a better path.
Sounds like something from a cancelled sequel of Videodrone which would rehash classic lines: "Don't be afraid to let your supply chain die", "Long live the new economy", etc.
They literally made a video explaining that the average person won't own anything.
Of course!
But that's not new.
Cheap clothes that fall apart in 6~12 months.
Cheap shoes that fall apart in 3~6 months.
Cell phones that should last decades are rendered obsolete every 5 years with some change to how cell phone communications are handled, 'cause you can't upgrade the hardware.
Music and books and games being digital downloads that you get to "say" you own, but if the server ever goes dark or technology abandons some software/hardware or a company buys out another company or there is some "terms of service violation", etc then poof and its all gone.
Talk to them about Jeffery Epstein and his connections with Hilary, Trump, etc. The stuff with Robert Maxwell (the Israeli super spy) and Ghislaine Maxwell. There is just so much there. If they haven't reached QAnon levels you could sway them via this.
Or get it straight from the horse's mouth and make them listen to trueanon. Their entire focus is on the Epstein conspiracy stuff initially and all the incestuous inter-connections in the bourgeoise. Theoretically seems like a decent entry point IMO. Although I am not sure how much it might appeal to boomers.
EDIT: I don't know your parents so feel free to completely ignore me. Also if your parents are hardly politically active you might wanna ignore them too (when it comes to politics) :p
Fair fair but tbh their focal point now is fully the covid vaccine new world order shit so I alternate ignoring and trying to redirect
it's frustrating to talk to people who believe that kind of stuff
you're so close, buddy! there really ARE global cabals of elites murdering people and raping children and poisoning us! you just have the details all wrong because you got them from Infowars
I read so many posts like this I feel like we should set up a communist specifically for learning how to talk people out of conspiracy theories.
I read this earlier this year, might have been linked on the sub.
https://thenewinquiry.com/i-want-to-believe/
