Apart from this article, I have to say it was quite an experience having Christmas yesterday and all my family talked about was the $2,000 checks. Trump comes out of this looking like the good guy after more than one Dem has publicly talked about how bad this would be.
"When you see the two extremes agreeing, you can almost be certain that something crazy is in the air," Summers said, adding that when Sen. Bernie Sanders and Trump are aligned, it's "time to run for cover."
Big brained moment
Jesus. I’ve heard the one where if both sides are equally upset then it’s probably a fair deal. But this is that big inverted. If both sides are happy, it must be bad. Lol. He knows how to politic.
The two people who disagree on everything have both told me to stop shitting on the floor and smearing my face with it. Guess I'd better carry on shitting on the floor and smearing my face with it.
What do these idiots think millions of new cases of homelessness will do for the country?
It will be RUSSIA and CHINA's fault when all of that leads to a new populist movement and massive anti-government sentiment.
I’m beginning to get the impression that they don’t care about poor people, and conditions won’t improve via electoralism... :thinkin-lenin:
The $2000 thing makes me wonder if he could actually win in 2024, it's such a 2016 Donald move. But I donno, its like one smart thing he's done in a year where he's done an absolutely shit job running for re-election and four years from now he's gonna be even more grotesque (granted, so will Biden).
Biden said a few weeks ago after the checks were removed from the relief bill that the government wasn't supposed to help people and no one should ask for a hand out .Several Dems came out this week to use conservative talking points about how "it's too much" and "a hand out".
I can tell you this from yesterday, my entire family will probably never vote Democrat again. We're all poor and the thought of $2,000 to pay off debt and get some help, that is a great deal to them. All I heard yesterday was how shocked they were that Trump of all people offered this. "This is what Democrats should be doing. This is what I used to vote for them in hopes that they would do. How did anyone truly think Joe Biden of all people was going to help us?" that was the words of my uncle who quit voting for them after the 90s.
“This is what Democrats should be doing. This is what I used to vote for them in hopes that they would do. How did anyone truly think Joe Biden of all people was going to help us?” that was the words of my uncle who quit voting for them after the 90s.
They are so fucking horrible everyone can see it, but people still tell you that voting biden was harm reduction.
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We don’t have a wall long enough to line all these fucking ghouls up against.
$600 is fine.
$1200 is pushing it.
$2000 would literally collapse the economy.
Yes, I am a Harvard Professor of Economics, the very physical embodiment of Serious Genius to be taken Seriously, why do you ask?
It's amazing just how out of touch the political class is.
You won't find many people who don't want an extra 2 grand. For a whole load of people that money will be the difference between life and death, quite literally when you look at life expectancy rates for homeless people. For your 'comfortably middle class' lot 2 grand could go towards I dunno, kazoo lessons for their kids or recyclable lawn chairs or whatever that lot are into at the moment.
You'd think that an American politician would realise how useful bunging people a few grand can be, right? The vast majority of Americans will want that 2 grand and they'll justify it after the fact. Hell I have seen ancaps justify it as 'getting my taxes back that were taken from me without my consent.'
All morality aside here, because giving people money to help out during a pandemic and a wave of unemployment is the absolute least that should be done, it's a really stupid move to come out against this publicly. Yeah I get that the country runs on misery and suffering so I understand why US politicians would have an instinctive negative response to a plan to do something that minimises suffering, however small, but surely they're smart enough to lie about their reasons right?
It’s a win win for trump because he looks empathetic and outflanks the left, but he’s leaving and doesn’t have to deal with the debt consequences. MMT only works for the military right now and if this did win support those same people would not vote to tax the rich or go down any non-austerity approach. It’s a great excuse to spoon out a one time payment and then cut a shit ton of benefits.
I think that's what's going to happen.
Biden will come in and inherit the worst economy and highest unemployment since the great depression. Biden didn't even support checks. He said it himself that the government's job isn't to help you and people shouldn't want hand outs in the first place.
His austerity is going to invoke a massive backlash from the right wing like we've never seen before. The next reactionary right wing movement is going to be a lot scarier than the Tea Party and further to the right of anything Trump did.
The minute the far right start talking about the class war and wealth inequality, the Dems are fucked. They just nominated and elected the most conservative president their party has ever had. By going further right and alienating the working class, it's going to get scary when the far right starts talking to them and promises to fix things.
Likeliest outcome is that won't talk about it directly but through dogwhistles about its consequences vis a vis immigrants or minorities or "undesirables." Though I do worry that some ghoul will have enough brain cells to address class struggle in direct language a.k.a. going Strasserite. Fascists always appropriate leftist rhetoric, and with the Dems orienting themselves as the party of well-off college educated and suburbanites the field is wide open for it. Trump did it in his own hackneyed dumb way, all it takes is switching your lingo from "socilaist antifa democrats" to "wealthy and rootless cosmopolitan elites."
Why wouldn't they be?
If you pay attention to how conservatives attack Biden, it's always through talk about him raising taxes. They started this before he even won, and now they are really going to ramp it up. Through austerity measures, it's always the poor who foot the bill for paying higher taxes while the wealthy get a bail out. The Republicans aren't stupid with how they attack Biden for this. It's going to work cause he has no filter in running his mouth and saying the wrong things. Biden don't play the empty platitudes or identity politics that previous Dems would use in efforts of pandering. Hillary at least did this, and he's no where as charismatic and charming as Obama.
The GOP raked in their most votes from minorities and working class households since the 1950s in this election.
The last time we had a recession, it spawned a right wing movement in the Tea Party.
This time around it's going to be worse cause we are looking at a great depression and people are getting desperate and disillusioned with the system. They already were disillusioned by it around 2015 when Trump began to rise and come around. Biden is a return to the status quo. His failures and the mass austerity he wants to push, absolutely will invoke a right wing backlash.
You said austerity, not raising taxes. One would think that ideologically the talking heads on the right will support cuts to "socialist programs".
The working class on the right won't care about social cuts - unless they are told to -which is a possibility.
If he raises taxes as well as cutting programs thats where the issue that you're talking about appears. However austerity doesn't necessarily mean tax increases.
Austerity is combining spending cuts with revenue increases. Raise taxes for everyone and cut benefits for the poor. EU playbook
Austerity is the attempt to raise government funds. This is through reducing spending by cutting services, raising taxes, or both. It can be a combination but not necessarily. The EU playbook doesn't apply - instead look at how the American right have done austerity - spending cuts and tax cuts - because tax cuts are the ultimate neoliberal goal
