https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/01/07/US-capitol-trump-poll
Who are the dems that support it. Those are the people I want to talk to.
I support the storming of the capita for the lols. Kinda sad they didn’t burn it tbh
Edit: but I’m not a democrat :top-cop:
If you don’t support it, you’re not a leftist. Wrong cowboy was in the corral, but the sport was pure, champ.
I don't support the reactionaries looking cool, no. That should have been us.
Send me your home address and dress size. I’ll mail you one of those caveman outfits those fellas were wearing yesterday. That’s the first step.
If you don't support the Beer Hall Putsch, you're not a leftist.
About 8% of both Democrats are conservative (in the American sense) and vote Republican now and vice versa, but never changed official affiliation. Party registration is used to normalize these polls rather than ideological leaning as the latter is much more malleable.
Maybe it's the half of Americans who don't vote and just want to watch the country burn (i. e. this site)
Point is you can’t disqualify people for voting
Uh, comrade, chill. I didn't say anything like that.
Counterpoint: Yes they are.
I predict 4 years of milquetoast neoliberal bullshit and then a real fascist seizes power. Only question is if they win by election or we see another coup like yesterday. Either way, looking forward to meeting you all irl at the camps!
The right is 100% going to win by election in 4 years unless they ROYALLY screw up. The dems are going to do absolutely nothing of material value over the next 4 years, and all the right has to do is get up there and hammer that home. Which they do anyways. Assuming the democrats DO actually accomplish anything, the right just has to get up there and talk about how that thing is communist and how it's destroying America. Which they do anyways.
So that leaves 2 options. Both of which result in dems losing:
Option 1: We get another Trump like in 4-8 years, but this time they're competent, and America collapses into fascism
Option 2: We get someone like Kasich, who just continues to slowly roll things back while libs cheer and the MAGA crowd protests that it's not enough. This basically just turns into another Bush era, which will lead to another Obama-like era, which will lead option 1 in more like 8-24 years
Either way without some serious direct action by the actual left, we're still directly on the march to fascism
The right is 100% going to win by election in 4 years unless they ROYALLY screw up. The dems are going to do absolutely nothing of material value over the next 4 years, and all the right has to do is get up there and hammer that home. Which they do anyways. Assuming the democrats DO actually accomplish anything, the right just has to get up there and talk about how that thing is communist and how it’s destroying America. Which they do anyways.
So that leaves 2 options. Both of which result in dems losing:
Option 1: We get another Trump like in 4-8 years, but this time they’re competent, and America collapses into fascism
100% this. Yesterday proved just how easy it would be to pull off a right wing coup here in America. This felt like a test run. If Trump wasn't so stupid and worried about his ego, he could've totally pulled this off. Those people yesterday had the backing of police and half of the GOP supporting them. Somewhere out there, there's another fascist like Trump who is vowing not to make the same mistakes.
Yesterday also proved how useless liberals are and I hope people now realize it when they go on and on about "radicalizing libs". Amidst a coup, they'll just get on Twitter and whine, moan and cry in the same smug, condescending way that they love. They'll make 'white privilege' trend as a hash tag and try to explain away that what's going on, totally isn't the result of the system, and all we need to do is vote for another status quo loving neoliberal to get back to normal. Then sit there and wonder why the cops are protecting fascists and aren't arresting them.
They won't do any of this. They'll do shit like "make Prop 22 federal law" under the guise of "worker's rights" or "appoint conservative justices" as a "compromise"
Option 4: I abolish bourgeoisie electoralism and institute single party rule, sport.
If you establish the dictatorship of the proletariat jack, you'd prove that we were all lying dog-faced pony soldiers the whole time.
The scariest thing is that if they use the Capitol kerfufle to pass a Patriot Act v 2.0, when that inevitable fascist comes it will be real bad.
I don't support the piece of shit assholes that did this, but everyone hates congress and maybe that's what it takes to make change. I'm always impressed how these smooth brained fuckwads can organize better than any leftist group.
BLM would've stormed the capitol too if the pigs had stepped aside and let them
There was some idiot in CNN saying shit like "what if it was BLM doing this? What would we be saying?"
I know what I would be saying. I'd be saying :party-sicko: YES HAHA YES :party-sicko:
Shoulda woulda coulda. Keep coping that qoomers just mogged tf out of all leftists forever
Because if you get rid of the government the underlying material conditions and social relations still exist, and the owner class will give a ton of funding to violent anti-left groups in this scenario, so the proud boys might well end up in charge at the end of it
Yep. You ally with chuds to destroy the government, which has to at least pretend to be democratic/popular. What are you left with? Economic hierarchy, private security, police and military - all run by rich/conservative/neoliberal fucks. You're stuck with the same shit, minus the semi-democratic element. The chuds have no problem - they're libertarian on economic issues. Oh, they'll get mad again eventually once they realize their material conditions are only worse off - but then they'll get pointed at you by the rich fucks who own the media and control the powers of the state.
Also, give it enough time, and those numbers are gonna get worse. Propaganda, Democratic fecklessness, and the psychology of doubling down. This will only make Trumpers dig their heels in and get more radicalized.
Republican support for these things always goes up after the rw media gets to reinterpret and reframe it. The fact that it's already starting that high, at 45%, is pretty wild. I expect to to be in the upper 70s in a week or two.
Wait 56% believe that the election was stolen, or did that question capture a bunch of libs still mad about Russia?
no it means 56% of those who believe the election was stolen support the storming, against 34% who oppose it
I don't read it that way. It says:
Voters who believe enough fraud took place at the presidential election to change the outcome: 56%
The future is ~40% the country believing the election was stolen every time your candidate didn't win. The only difference is who's angry and who's the supposed culprit - Russians, illegals, etc.
The media dipshits who were saying how this would be a changing moment and that Republicans will come to their senses are completely naive. If anything it will be the other way around and people will become more radicalized on the right. All I’ve seen is whataboutism about BLM and the “it was actually Antifa that did it” argument. They’ve learned nothing and things like this are gonna be a common occurrence in the future.
They've been saying that for the past 4 years. Biden even pushed that same stupid bullshit about Republicans "going back to normal" and "coming back to their senses".
Republicans have never been normal. At least not in my lifetime and I was born in 1992. They were crazy all through the Obama era. They were crazy during the Bush years. They were crazy back in 1994 if you read up on the whole "Republican revolution" midterms.
Mainstream media has an extreme liberal and centrist bias and they're obsessed with the whole "good Republican" myth they've created. They worship John McCain, regardless that he voted with Trump in police over 70% of the time and had a long track record of being a POS. Mitt Romney is their favorite Republican; whom also supported Trump's tax cuts and most of his policy. All they care about is the theatrics of politics.
If you don’t support storming the capitol building, you ain’t a real american Jack.
These articles are required reading for anyone who thinks this will somehow go "back to normal" anytime soon:
https://indica.medium.com/i-lived-through-a-coup-america-is-having-one-now-437934b1dac3
https://indica.medium.com/collapse-lasts-a-lifetime-america-is-just-getting-started-aae9c4b1427
Also listening to Robert Evans' "It Could Happen Here" is a frightening hypothetical scenario of what an actual Second American Civil War could look like, go listen to it
56% of voters think enough fraud took place to justify changing the outcome? WTF. Thats more than who voted for Trump.
I read it that way too at first but it's saying 56% of those who think the outcome was changed support the storming
