How the fuck can you people support this shit?
What the fuck is wrong with your brains if you think this is okay?
And you can't go with the "CIA is faking it all" cope this is straight up China admitting they're sterilizing Uighur women. Like why would anyone want to join a movement where this is defended
seeing someone get ratioed is funny as fuck. please don't turn downvotes back on
they were literally just copy pasting wikipedia links at the end. if they were gonna make the argument at least make it in good faith
Literaly all the posts from this account are about this one article.
You could ban me but Ill just make another account and keep talking. And you guys know this. Which is why it's weird you even ban at all. All that's left for the janitors is the pleasure of pressing the button. Sad!
Lol, You'll eventually get bored & leave or slowly be accepted as the next, even lamer, Enver. Why should we give a fuck if you keep coming back?
Is this a bit? They are fighting patriarchial social norms that pressure women into pregnancies, idk how you could get sterilization from that.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
I didnt realizing forcibly fucking sterilizing women is fighting patriarchal gender norms. How fucking brainwashed are u
You in 2003:
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.blix.report/index.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20060426071800/http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.html
"I didn't realize supporting infants being torn from incubators and developing chemical weapons is fighting Imperialism! How fucking brainwashed are you?"
Stop gobbling up CIA slop.
Literally ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
Well, you said earlier you don't read propaganda articles, so let's take a look at the unbiased, not US government-backed/German religious fundamentalist claims you-...
Radio Free Asia a site funded by the US government, estimated in January 2018 that 120,000 members of the Uyghurs were being held in political re-education camps in Kashgar prefecture alone at the time
According to a Radio Free Asia interview with an officer at the Onsu County police station
According to an anonymous Uyghur local government employee quoted in an article by US government-sponsored Radio Free Asia
Adrian Zenz reported that the re-education camps also function as forced labor camps in which Uyghurs and Kazakhs produce various products for export
Writing in the Journal of Political Risk in July 2019, independent researcher Adrian Zenz estimated an upper speculative limit to the number of people detained in Xinjiang re-education camps at 1.5 million.[3] In November 2019, Adrian Zenz estimated that the number of internment camps in Xinjiang had surpassed 1,000.
:cringe:
Im sorry but literally anything of this level shock value that i have seen any of these outlets report about China and similar "rogue states" has turned out to be total horseshit. This is definately some. made up Adrian Zenz Fulan Gong Epoch Times bullshit. As for why these outlets would use such shitty sources, its because all of them have been lying on behalf of Western states for decades. This is just more Iraqi WMDs, ok bud.
Are you unironically, with 100% sincerity, claiming that say, every source on this page is fake? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
Would be pretty impressive to fake something of this magnitude. How do you think that would even happen?
And do you realize you're just being holocaust deniers painted red?
Would be pretty impressive to fake something of this magnitude.
:michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:
Utterly ahistorical smooth-brained take.
I keep mashing the downvote button but it keeps telling me that I'm not allowed to downvote this.
Is this the mods subtle way of supporting the CIA?
Is this the trap house putsch? Will the libs call this a coup tomorrow?
YOU DECIDE!
Did you not read the article you linked to? He's literally named in it :stalin-joking:
Why would I read a literal propaganda article?
It's tweeted by the china embassy. Hosted on "chinadaily.com.cn"
U seriously give that any fucking credence?
From your AP news article, "Zenz, who is also an independent contractor with the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a bipartisan nonprofit based in Washington, D.C."
Why would I give any credence to things coming from him?
Cuz he's not the only person writing about the fucking camps moron. Like a righty going "this guy who wrote about the Holocaust is a member of the Victims of Fascism Foundation therefore the holocaust dont real"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
Then you gone full brainworm. No country's propaganda twitter should be trusted, esp when your reasoning for stanning china is most likely literally just that they are powerful and anti-America, they're not even communist why tf u go so hard for em
Right there is just one guy making this all up
Definitelllllllllllllly not you just denying reality like a trumper
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
If you support the take in the posted tweet you irrevocably lose the right to call anyone else a lib forever
Can't believe China would make birth rates fall in populations that have been lifted out of poverty, something that we have never seen anywhere else in the world throughout all of modern history when people are lifted out of poverty.
Jesus fucking christ yeah the people locked up in concentration camps are doing great economically.
Its so weird that you dont see this is like some rightoid saying "wont someone think of the poor bloods and crips" when someone says treating black people like subhumans is Bad Actually. Or just straight up "won't anyone think of the poor terrorists" when people are against Islamophobia. There are a few very strong blind spots on the leftist worldview this is one of them
Please, enlighten us all as to how you recommend that China deals with the at least 5000 Uyghurs that went to fight for ISIS and have since started returning to Xinjiang?
Anyone who wants to fight for ISIS goes to jail.
Please, enlighten us all as to how you recommend that America deals with the at least 100000 Scary Blacks that went to fight for gangs and have since started infiltrating peaceful happy white neighborhoods?
Wow, what a coincidence that these "prison camps" have been popping up. Maybe China should consider putting some of the ISIS fighters there? 🤔🤔🤔
Free state-provided language and vocational and educational training hurts people economically? Again, what are you smoking. Giving this kind of direct material benefit is actually a very good way to not only help people out, but also deradicalize them. Unlike just bombing hospitals and brisking muslims (even citizens) to gitmo indefinately and shit like western powers.
Free state-provided language and vocational and educational training hurts people economically?
Quite a spin on reeducation camps. the FORCING being the first thing you forgot to mention, let alone them being nothing like you described content wise.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Please de-brainworm yourself
Ok buddy, did you read the fucking AP report? Youre content taking Adrian Zenz and Mike Pompeo's word on this? Youre gonna believe the fucking Trump administration, which is only using this as a made up projectionIst distraction against the sterilizations in ICE camps.
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
de-brainworm yourself
From a 1 day old account posting articles citing Zenz lol
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUMZS-ZegM
you probably still believe the Nayirah testimony too, you fucking rube
Im not brigading, im an actual leftist and im trying to fix you guys
Radio war nerd did several good episodes on the topi, that go into a little more detail and nuance. Obviously the situation isnt as bad as western media portrays it, but it's also very far from the picture China stans here provide.
I personally wonder about the fine line between educating people, liberating women etc. and erasing their traditional culture. The two seem a little contradictory goals to me. On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other - forcing entire populations to adopt your language and do things your way, ain't exactly good either.
I agree. It is definitely not as bad as the U.S. says it is, but I do think that the culture might be being oppressed. I would be more critical of China if the U.S. wasn't sending money to destabilize the region.
I personally wonder about the fine line between educating people, liberating women etc. and erasing their traditional culture. The two seem a little contradictory goals to me. On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other - forcing entire populations to adopt your language and do things your way, ain’t exactly good either.
So tangent: should leftists skew more towards cultural relativism or moral absolutism?
Does respect for traditional cultures end if they cross lines? Who paints those lines?
If there's a proletarian revolution which then decides to not recognize gay rights, where does that leave us?
Sweaty...we have to preserve culture. When the revolution comes to America, it's important to preserve the longstanding and accepted rape culture that exists there because that's part of their heritage.
"On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other murdering, raping, and plaguing millions of native americans, ain’t exactly good either."
Le both sides have some solid points take has arrived
As someone who tries to defend China a lot, your comment made me think a bit deeper about the subject by you drawing this comparison to my own words. It definitely has some parallels for sure. Thank you for rec’ing my post and getting me to think from a different pov too!
i swear, if stuff about how the cpc ended foot binding gets posted today libs like you would accuse them of cultural genocide
sees 6 upvotes and 99 comments, eyes glowing with terrible energy as I click through to read more
Weird that the linked article is specifically saying they arent doing forced sterilizing, disputing the claims of Zenz, and giving a material reason for the birth rates changing.
As always, Xinjiang is far away and I can't read Chinese so maybe local sources are better and have more accurate info about abuses or coercion. But the linked source in the tweet is literally saying people are both choosing to use iuds and marrying/having children later in life thus reducing the numbers.
These could be education, economic incentives, or dangerous ethnic cleansing, but this source you're literally posting is saying not ethnic cleansing.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
The changes were not caused by "forced sterilization" of the Uygur population, as repeatedly claimed by some Western scholars and politicians, it said.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
Literally 1 minute google bud
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
What chuds are worried about China genociding Muslims
None, which is exactly my point - it's not owning the chuds. Thats the fucking joke dummy. Like "shitting in your sink to own the libs" no libs are worried about you shitting in your sink. That is the joke format.
If you want horseshoe theory to remain a theory and not become law, you can't literally team up with chuds 🤦♀️
Oh good, so when America denies doing evil shit in the future Ill just blindly trust them too if thats the leftist way
Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
this is straight up China admitting they’re sterilizing Uighur women
Weird how the tweet does not say that at all. Strangest 'admission' ever.
Hey bud maybe I’m missing something in their statement but how the fuck did it give you the idea that uyghur women are being sterilized
A little thing called context. Heard of it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china
https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
And you can’t go with the “CIA is faking it all” cope this is straight up China admitting they’re sterilizing Uighur women.
Given that you claimed China is admitting to forced sterilization, you should be capable of pointing out the part of the statement that you posted where they admit to such practices. You can’t deduce that that’s what they’re saying based off of the tweet alone. As such, you’re relying on information which, as others in this thread have pointed out, does not come from trustworthy sources in order to back up your claim.
