How the fuck can you people support this shit?

What the fuck is wrong with your brains if you think this is okay?

And you can't go with the "CIA is faking it all" cope this is straight up China admitting they're sterilizing Uighur women. Like why would anyone want to join a movement where this is defended

      • Jerb [none/use name]
        hexagon
        ·
        4 years ago

        You could ban me but Ill just make another account and keep talking. And you guys know this. Which is why it's weird you even ban at all. All that's left for the janitors is the pleasure of pressing the button. Sad!

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]M
      ·
      4 years ago

      I keep mashing the downvote button but it keeps telling me that I'm not allowed to downvote this.

      Is this the mods subtle way of supporting the CIA?

      Is this the trap house putsch? Will the libs call this a coup tomorrow?

      YOU DECIDE!

  • Veegie2600 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Is this a bit? They are fighting patriarchial social norms that pressure women into pregnancies, idk how you could get sterilization from that.

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

      https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

      I didnt realizing forcibly fucking sterilizing women is fighting patriarchal gender norms. How fucking brainwashed are u

      • Catiline [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        You in 2003:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/08/world/threats-responses-iraqis-us-says-hussein-intensifies-quest-for-bomb-parts.html

        http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/sprj.irq.blix.report/index.html

        https://web.archive.org/web/20060426071800/http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.html

        "I didn't realize supporting infants being torn from incubators and developing chemical weapons is fighting Imperialism! How fucking brainwashed are you?"

        Stop gobbling up CIA slop.

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
          ·
          4 years ago

          Literally ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

          • Catiline [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Well, you said earlier you don't read propaganda articles, so let's take a look at the unbiased, not US government-backed/German religious fundamentalist claims you-...

            Radio Free Asia a site funded by the US government, estimated in January 2018 that 120,000 members of the Uyghurs were being held in political re-education camps in Kashgar prefecture alone at the time

            According to a Radio Free Asia interview with an officer at the Onsu County police station

            According to an anonymous Uyghur local government employee quoted in an article by US government-sponsored Radio Free Asia

            Adrian Zenz reported that the re-education camps also function as forced labor camps in which Uyghurs and Kazakhs produce various products for export

            Writing in the Journal of Political Risk in July 2019, independent researcher Adrian Zenz estimated an upper speculative limit to the number of people detained in Xinjiang re-education camps at 1.5 million.[3] In November 2019, Adrian Zenz estimated that the number of internment camps in Xinjiang had surpassed 1,000.

            :cringe:

      • Veegie2600 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Im sorry but literally anything of this level shock value that i have seen any of these outlets report about China and similar "rogue states" has turned out to be total horseshit. This is definately some. made up Adrian Zenz Fulan Gong Epoch Times bullshit. As for why these outlets would use such shitty sources, its because all of them have been lying on behalf of Western states for decades. This is just more Iraqi WMDs, ok bud.

        • Jerb [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Are you unironically, with 100% sincerity, claiming that say, every source on this page is fake? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

          Would be pretty impressive to fake something of this magnitude. How do you think that would even happen?

          And do you realize you're just being holocaust deniers painted red?

          • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Would be pretty impressive to fake something of this magnitude.

            :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh: :michael-laugh:

            Utterly ahistorical smooth-brained take.

      • honeynut
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        1 year ago

        deleted by creator

      • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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        4 years ago

        Did you not read the article you linked to? He's literally named in it :stalin-joking:

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Why would I read a literal propaganda article?

          It's tweeted by the china embassy. Hosted on "chinadaily.com.cn"

          U seriously give that any fucking credence?

          • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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            4 years ago

            From your AP news article, "Zenz, who is also an independent contractor with the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a bipartisan nonprofit based in Washington, D.C."

            Why would I give any credence to things coming from him?

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Cuz he's not the only person writing about the fucking camps moron. Like a righty going "this guy who wrote about the Holocaust is a member of the Victims of Fascism Foundation therefore the holocaust dont real"

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
              ·
              4 years ago

              Then you gone full brainworm. No country's propaganda twitter should be trusted, esp when your reasoning for stanning china is most likely literally just that they are powerful and anti-America, they're not even communist why tf u go so hard for em

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
          ·
          4 years ago

          Right there is just one guy making this all up

          Definitelllllllllllllly not you just denying reality like a trumper

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

  • longhorn617 [any]
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    4 years ago

    Can't believe China would make birth rates fall in populations that have been lifted out of poverty, something that we have never seen anywhere else in the world throughout all of modern history when people are lifted out of poverty.

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Jesus fucking christ yeah the people locked up in concentration camps are doing great economically.

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Its so weird that you dont see this is like some rightoid saying "wont someone think of the poor bloods and crips" when someone says treating black people like subhumans is Bad Actually. Or just straight up "won't anyone think of the poor terrorists" when people are against Islamophobia. There are a few very strong blind spots on the leftist worldview this is one of them

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Anyone who wants to fight for ISIS goes to jail.

              Please, enlighten us all as to how you recommend that America deals with the at least 100000 Scary Blacks that went to fight for gangs and have since started infiltrating peaceful happy white neighborhoods?

              • longhorn617 [any]
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                4 years ago

                Wow, what a coincidence that these "prison camps" have been popping up. Maybe China should consider putting some of the ISIS fighters there? 🤔🤔🤔

      • Veegie2600 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Free state-provided language and vocational and educational training hurts people economically? Again, what are you smoking. Giving this kind of direct material benefit is actually a very good way to not only help people out, but also deradicalize them. Unlike just bombing hospitals and brisking muslims (even citizens) to gitmo indefinately and shit like western powers.

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
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          4 years ago

          Free state-provided language and vocational and educational training hurts people economically?

          Quite a spin on reeducation camps. the FORCING being the first thing you forgot to mention, let alone them being nothing like you described content wise.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

          https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

          Please de-brainworm yourself

          • Veegie2600 [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Ok buddy, did you read the fucking AP report? Youre content taking Adrian Zenz and Mike Pompeo's word on this? Youre gonna believe the fucking Trump administration, which is only using this as a made up projectionIst distraction against the sterilizations in ICE camps.

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
              ·
              4 years ago

              Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

          • opposide [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            de-brainworm yourself

            From a 1 day old account posting articles citing Zenz lol

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

              • emizeko [they/them]
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                4 years ago

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkUMZS-ZegM

                you probably still believe the Nayirah testimony too, you fucking rube

                • Jerb [none/use name]
                  hexagon
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  Im not brigading, im an actual leftist and im trying to fix you guys

                  • opposide [none/use name]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    Then get new material. These articles were all over the front pages of the internet for the last 6 months since they were published. You think we haven’t seen them?

                    There’s a reason we think you posting them is dumb and we told you why

                    • Jerb [none/use name]
                      hexagon
                      ·
                      4 years ago

                      There’s a reason we think you posting them is dumb and we told you why

                      Yeah you hate the US (understandable) so much that you will support a comically evil oppressive authoritarian regime if they're even slightly against the US.

                      Also you're all white.

                      • opposide [none/use name]
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                        4 years ago

                        Lol I mean I’m Turkish and from Turkey so call me whatever you want along those ambiguous lines, but consider the following:

                        All states are evil

  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
    ·
    4 years ago

    Radio war nerd did several good episodes on the topi, that go into a little more detail and nuance. Obviously the situation isnt as bad as western media portrays it, but it's also very far from the picture China stans here provide.

    I personally wonder about the fine line between educating people, liberating women etc. and erasing their traditional culture. The two seem a little contradictory goals to me. On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other - forcing entire populations to adopt your language and do things your way, ain't exactly good either.

    • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I agree. It is definitely not as bad as the U.S. says it is, but I do think that the culture might be being oppressed. I would be more critical of China if the U.S. wasn't sending money to destabilize the region.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I personally wonder about the fine line between educating people, liberating women etc. and erasing their traditional culture. The two seem a little contradictory goals to me. On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other - forcing entire populations to adopt your language and do things your way, ain’t exactly good either.

      So tangent: should leftists skew more towards cultural relativism or moral absolutism?

      Does respect for traditional cultures end if they cross lines? Who paints those lines?

      If there's a proletarian revolution which then decides to not recognize gay rights, where does that leave us?

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Sweaty...we have to preserve culture. When the revolution comes to America, it's important to preserve the longstanding and accepted rape culture that exists there because that's part of their heritage.

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      "On one hand traditional cultures are often kinda pretty bad, on the other murdering, raping, and plaguing millions of native americans, ain’t exactly good either."

      Le both sides have some solid points take has arrived

      • rozako [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        As someone who tries to defend China a lot, your comment made me think a bit deeper about the subject by you drawing this comparison to my own words. It definitely has some parallels for sure. Thank you for rec’ing my post and getting me to think from a different pov too!

  • infernalCop [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    i swear, if stuff about how the cpc ended foot binding gets posted today libs like you would accuse them of cultural genocide

  • RowPin [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    sees 6 upvotes and 99 comments, eyes glowing with terrible energy as I click through to read more

  • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    this is straight up China admitting they’re sterilizing Uighur women

    Weird how the tweet does not say that at all. Strangest 'admission' ever.

  • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    Weird that the linked article is specifically saying they arent doing forced sterilizing, disputing the claims of Zenz, and giving a material reason for the birth rates changing.

    As always, Xinjiang is far away and I can't read Chinese so maybe local sources are better and have more accurate info about abuses or coercion. But the linked source in the tweet is literally saying people are both choosing to use iuds and marrying/having children later in life thus reducing the numbers.

    These could be education, economic incentives, or dangerous ethnic cleansing, but this source you're literally posting is saying not ethnic cleansing.

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

      https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

  • TheModerateTankie [any]
    ·
    4 years ago

    The changes were not caused by "forced sterilization" of the Uygur population, as repeatedly claimed by some Western scholars and politicians, it said.

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

      https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

      Literally 1 minute google bud

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
          ·
          4 years ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

            • Jerb [none/use name]
              hexagon
              ·
              4 years ago

              Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

                • Jerb [none/use name]
                  hexagon
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                  edit-2
                  4 years ago

                  What chuds are worried about China genociding Muslims

                  None, which is exactly my point - it's not owning the chuds. Thats the fucking joke dummy. Like "shitting in your sink to own the libs" no libs are worried about you shitting in your sink. That is the joke format.

                  If you want horseshoe theory to remain a theory and not become law, you can't literally team up with chuds 🤦‍♀️

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      Oh good, so when America denies doing evil shit in the future Ill just blindly trust them too if thats the leftist way

        • Jerb [none/use name]
          hexagon
          ·
          4 years ago

          Ignoring the experiences of an oppressed ethnic and religious minority being put in concentration camps to own the chuds

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

  • btbt [he/him]
    ·
    4 years ago

    Hey bud maybe I’m missing something in their statement but how the fuck did it give you the idea that uyghur women are being sterilized

    • Jerb [none/use name]
      hexagon
      ·
      4 years ago

      A little thing called context. Heard of it?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#Testimonies_of_treatment

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-is-forcibly-sterilizing-uighur-women-and-giving-them-unwanted-abortions-in-a-mission-to-purge-the-muslim-minority-report-says/ar-BB166lWE

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minority-teacher-50-tells-of-forced-sterilisation-in-xinjiang-china

      https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c

      • btbt [he/him]
        ·
        4 years ago

        And you can’t go with the “CIA is faking it all” cope this is straight up China admitting they’re sterilizing Uighur women.

        Given that you claimed China is admitting to forced sterilization, you should be capable of pointing out the part of the statement that you posted where they admit to such practices. You can’t deduce that that’s what they’re saying based off of the tweet alone. As such, you’re relying on information which, as others in this thread have pointed out, does not come from trustworthy sources in order to back up your claim.