I was blown away when I discovered how blatantly racist even liberal Europeans are toward Roma. Literally the shit the Nazis said to justify tossing Roma into gas chambers getting massively upvoted on Europe-related subreddits.
I do genuinely believe in two to three generations time, almost all roma will have been assimilated or killed off especially as more in-your-face fascism rises in europe.
Dude Roma survived Porajmos and Soviet assimilation. They're more resilient than you think. At least I hope soSorry, you probably know better than I do. Could have guessed by your name.
Shit sucks.
Hahaha oh don’t get me wrong. We are resilient. But The past couple generations have ramped up wanting their kids to assimilate more and more. It’s not fully a non-Roma issue, but a lot of us willing to let our culture slowly fade out too. But I try to have hope.
EDIT: also we really barely survived the Holocaust. Almost 90% of European Roma were affected, so I worry if something like that ever happened in a more efficient manner, even just for a few months longer... But again. Trying to have HOPE.
I distinctly remember Christian Lindner, the leader of the Liberal-Democratic Party (FDP) of Germany, speaking about standing in line behind some immigrant at the bakery, who spoke German poorly. Lindner then went on to fear monger that he did not know wether that person was a ”highly qualified AI developer from India or wether he was an at best tolerated illegal alien“. And this was no off the cuff comment that blew up, this was part of his speech at the party’s general convention. His leadership position wasn’t even challenged over this. Sure, there was some outrage on the internet over this, but there were no lasting consequences at all.
the left in europe is completely dead and the most progressive people are useless centrists who don’t care about anyone
hard fucking agree. never met a european leftist who didn't still want to segregate all Roma lol. idk as a gypsy myself i don't think Americans can barely comprehend the shit we go through.
As someone born and raised on TERF Island, _ Natives: Race and Class in the Ruins of Empire_ by Akala really helped me come to terms with understanding that the U.K. is really not a less racist country than the US, just that the UK’s racism is manifested differently. Also that the notion of Britain being a post-racial society in comparison with its former colony is itself a piece of imperial propaganda to benefit the ruling class.
europe's shit smells too, but is it rly that bad? Yall still have like 40% membership unions and as far as I know trans rights are much more progressive, at least in western europe. And there were a lot of protests in solidarity with george floyd, esp in germany. Idk this seems overly pessimistic. I agree about roma tho thats a huge blind spot
Yall still have like 40% membership unions
But if the union members tend to be racist, then the union becomes a white supremacist organization that doesn't advance the interests of the entirety of the working class.
Racism + Unions != progress.
Racism + Unions = Nazbols.
as far as I know trans rights are much more progressive
It's really hit or miss depending on the country. I'm sure the Nordic countries are thought to be incredibly progressive on LGBT stuff but in Finland you need to be fucking sterilised to legally change your gender
trans rights definitely aren't progressive even in the most socially left countries lol, trans healthcare got stuck in the 50s and the process is intentionally made to be as frustrating and long as possible and many countries require sterilisation
From Time to Time You stumple upon this little messed up Shit , in which mostly Americans to proud to admitt they are the lowest of the low … try to lift themselfs up , by trying to bring Europe down on there Level…
For example: " In the Balkan Nations , did you know ! ,in these little tiny Nation that never had a Colony , never a Realm across the Seas , never no colonialsim , no guilt towards any other continent … That in these Nations the Inhabitans are Racist against Roma… " ? "OMG ! Thats sooo Wrong Man ! "
–> Better get into that Topic American ! , who but you is more Qualified to Lecture a Bulgarian about his Historical white Guilt and the Roma…
The Roma , btw he gonna get his Insulin . -> You do not if you can not Pay… The Roma btw get his Healthcare -> You do not if you can not Pay The Roma Btw has a Right to free Education . -> You do Not as you cn not Pay…
–> Dont try to Pull Europe down with you just so you arn’t so Alone in your own Shit.
I also enjoy the constant "Oh no we're sooooooooooo progressive you guys!" fucking lie that is constantly touted by the media. Yes tell me more how it's progressive to sterilise trans people and use "gay" when describing something bad, go on please.
Most of the continent could fall into the sea and nothing of value would be lost.
strong post war left
Not everywhere though. Some places most leftists were murdered and to this day society hasn't recovered. There is next to no anarchist movement in Europe except maybe Greece
Look up anarchist involvement in the US labour movement, the Spanish civil war, or the makhnochina. Just because it's over doesn't mean it didn't happen. Or would you say socialists never accomplished anything because life in modern Russia is shit?
Just say which country you mean rather than saying Europe lol
UK is different to Russia, which is different to Malta which is Different to Denmark
Everything they said is pretty universally true everywhere I've lived on the continent
It's the fucking worst. In Austria+Germany everybody's so pleased with themselves at how well we acknowledge genocide and how seriously we take "never again". But honestly, the rhetoric about immigrants, especially Muslims, is so fucking bad. What "never again" exactly? It doesn't seem like we learned very much - it's easy to be kind and just to a minority that barely exists here anymore. It doesn't mean anything if you can't extrapolate the lesson to how you treat other minorities that do. Though our far right gets caught in minor anti-Semitic and racist scandals like every other day it feels like, so I guess the lesson didn't stick in any form.
Like over a decade ago, somebody graffiti'd the local concentration camp with "What the Jews were to our grandfathers, the Muslims are to us" and I've never gotten that out of my head.
The Netherlands is a great example of this. While there are some genuine efforts, there is still a fuck ton of racism here. Black Pete support has dropped precipitously over the past few years, and now a lot of people seem to realize that it’s racist as fuck, but that in turn means the reactionaries have held onto it even harder.
Even your average lib here can rattle off all kinds of facts about US police brutality but have no idea about the police violence and racism here.
And although one of the fascist parties has imploded, the other has released their manifesto for the upcoming election, which includes kicking out all Syrian refugees and cracking down on Islam throughout the country.
I’m really worried that with the increased flow of refugees due to Western-caused climate change and conflict, the fascist parties are going to get more support as they play off people’s fears. Our only “left” party, the Socialist Party, which are just socdems, just purged all the communists out of the party. So there’s really no alternative to liberal and far-right politics.
Q has also gotten really popular here. That’s worrying.
On the plus side, there’s a new party this election that is explicitly anti-racist, anti-neo-colonialist, and somewhat anti-capitalist. But it’s still electoralism.
From Time to Time You stumple upon this little messed up Shit , in which mostly Americans to proud to admitt they are the lowest of the low ..... try to lift themselfs up , by trying to bring Europe down on there Level...
For example: " In the Balkan Nations , did you know ! ,in these little tiny Nation that never had a Colony , never a Realm across the Seas , never no colonialsim , no guilt towards any other continent ... That in these Nations the Inhabitans are Racist against Roma.... " ? "OMG ! Thats sooo Wrong Man ! "
--> Better get into that Topic American ! , who but you is more Qualified to Lecture a Bulgarian about his Historical white Guilt and the Roma.....
The Roma , btw he gonna get his Insulin .
-> You do not if you can not Pay...The Roma btw get his Healthcare
-> You do not if you can not PayThe Roma Btw has a Right to free Education .
-> You do Not as you cn not Pay..--> Dont try to Pull Europe down with you just so you arn't so Alone in your own Shit.
I used to believe the "not racist/we're super progressive" stuff was true because it's all I had heard about til I hung out in r/europe for awhile. I remember there was some pretty bad stuff about muslims back during the time the refugees from Syria were in the news.
