sometimes its good to read more than the first sentence on a wikipedia article
The Three Arrows were thought to represent the struggle of the social democratic movement against reaction (referring to monarchism), capitalism and fascism.
originally no
On a widely used and publicized SPD election poster for the 6 November 1932 Reichstag elections, the Three Arrows were used to represent opposition to the Communist Party, the monarchist wing of the Centre Party, and the Nazi Party, accompanied by the slogan "Against Papen, Hitler, Thälmann."
Thälmann being the major force that shifted the KPD from Leninism to Stalinism. Yes it's factional, not it's not against communism as a concept.
The three arrows also represented the three agents of working class strength: political (represented by the SPD), economic (represented by the trade unions) and physical (represented by the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold).[9][10]
The symbol had been modified to include a circle, and the symbolism changed to represent the unity of industrial workers, farm workers and intellectuals.
^ which is the version that is most commonly used now
So first off, they're largely correct about the symbol with the circle around it being different. I won't get into origins of that or how distasteful I find it that they use something the vile SPD traitors and Rosa killers made. It has a history and tbh I don't care enough to dig into it and try and sus out what came from where and whether this has its origins in the synthetic left the CIA cultivated in Europe and which then perhaps jumped the Atlantic. I don't know. Seems plausible to me but I'm not going to waste effort on it as it doesn't seem particularly useful as tbh even if I could strongly show this, those who use and defend it would deny it ever more strongly.
Thälmann being the major force that shifted the KPD from Leninism to Stalinism. Yes it’s factional, not it’s not against communism as a concept.
This is absurd. Anti-communism by any other name. There is no "Stalinism" other than as an ignorant slur used by anti-communist fools. Anyways the symbol they used (the one without a circle around it with the arrows pointed at a crown for monarchy, a swastika for fascism, and a red star with a white hammer and sickle for the soviet union and communism more broadly) was clearly against the only communist power in existence at the time which was the USSR.
These people were social democrats in every way that mattered and well Stalin and many others including Rosa had very potent words against them, far better than any condemnation I can give. They were the very grandfathers of "left anti-communism" which Parenti correctly describes as the unkindest cut.
Anyways, look how that worked out for those pieces of shit at the SPD. Not well at all, not for them, although quite well for the Nazis.
Stalin did nothing more than synthesize what Lenin wrote and advocated for into practice and adapt to the conditions as they unfurled I think I can speak for nearly all Marxist-Leninists here when I say we categorically reject as ignorant, disgusting, divisive, anti-communist BULLSHIT, attempts to separate Lenin and Stalin in the way the snitch Orwell and every piece of shit anti-communist with more than two braincells has been doing in the west for the past 70 years and more. I am serious here folks, look at decent history books that try and passingly engage with it in the US. To a one they all portray Trotsky as a sympathetic victim and many give the impression of Lenin as a good guy who inevitably (because muh human nature) was replaced by this caricature creature, this evil monster drawing of Stalin they have who ruined everything with his brutality. Stalin's greatest crime to the authors of this narrative, many of whom were likely Nazis themselves the US helped escape and gave power in NATO and elsewhere was Stalin's defeat of Hitler and keeping the USSR together afterwards. Anyone who rejects Stalin but upholds Lenin has a head full of propaganda where critical thought should be.
Probably because it's a more broad antifascist symbol nowadays.
Even back in the day, there were multiple interpretations (all by the socdems tho), they designed the symbol, because it's easy to "destroy" a swastika with it by spraying over it.
The American Iron Front is an anti-fascist & pro-democracy activist coalition. We are a big-tent community for patriotic folks working to undermine the encroachment of right-wing authoritarianism in this country, even if they don't necessarily identify with the more radical and/or revolutionary aspects of other 'Antifa' groups. We wish to reclaim the value of 'patriotism' from the ultranationalist right, and to encourage the American People to strive for a country where all are free and liberated.
None of that is overtly anti-communist, but (as other respondents have pointed out) the symbol has at various times been used in part as opposition to communism (among other things).
On a scale of 1 to sus, it's a little sus, but you can count on people using the symbol to reliably oppose the flavor of fascism currently being peddled by the GOP. Whether that extends to broader anti-police sentiments or awareness of America's historical fascist tendencies varies from person to person.
The three arrows were the symbol of the Eiserne Front - the militant wing of the Weimar Republic's SDP. Originally it represented opposition to monarchism, capitalism, and fascism but the capitalism got replaced with communism when they did the heel turn in 1932.
tfw you totally know that every imperialist nation invaded Russia to assist the White Army, but they totally could have just not had a centrally organized army to stop counterrevolutionaries.
also monarchism was often considered to represent reactionaryism - i.e. there was still a commitment to socialism and it was an explicitly counter reactionary symbology throughout its time. even though it became somewhat factional
This isnt about evolving, it's the fact that most blac bloc posers copied european activists from the 70s and 80s, many of whom were coopted by the cia
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You see a lot of succdems smashing out the Democratic party office windows?
that's how it was originally created but now it's used as a general antifascist symbol
The people that use it are probably anti-communists still.
Portland anarchists? Absolutely.
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its literally none of those things
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sometimes its good to read more than the first sentence on a wikipedia article
originally no
Thälmann being the major force that shifted the KPD from Leninism to Stalinism. Yes it's factional, not it's not against communism as a concept.
^ which is the version that is most commonly used now
So first off, they're largely correct about the symbol with the circle around it being different. I won't get into origins of that or how distasteful I find it that they use something the vile SPD traitors and Rosa killers made. It has a history and tbh I don't care enough to dig into it and try and sus out what came from where and whether this has its origins in the synthetic left the CIA cultivated in Europe and which then perhaps jumped the Atlantic. I don't know. Seems plausible to me but I'm not going to waste effort on it as it doesn't seem particularly useful as tbh even if I could strongly show this, those who use and defend it would deny it ever more strongly.
This is absurd. Anti-communism by any other name. There is no "Stalinism" other than as an ignorant slur used by anti-communist fools. Anyways the symbol they used (the one without a circle around it with the arrows pointed at a crown for monarchy, a swastika for fascism, and a red star with a white hammer and sickle for the soviet union and communism more broadly) was clearly against the only communist power in existence at the time which was the USSR.
These people were social democrats in every way that mattered and well Stalin and many others including Rosa had very potent words against them, far better than any condemnation I can give. They were the very grandfathers of "left anti-communism" which Parenti correctly describes as the unkindest cut.
Anyways, look how that worked out for those pieces of shit at the SPD. Not well at all, not for them, although quite well for the Nazis.
Stalin did nothing more than synthesize what Lenin wrote and advocated for into practice and adapt to the conditions as they unfurled I think I can speak for nearly all Marxist-Leninists here when I say we categorically reject as ignorant, disgusting, divisive, anti-communist BULLSHIT, attempts to separate Lenin and Stalin in the way the snitch Orwell and every piece of shit anti-communist with more than two braincells has been doing in the west for the past 70 years and more. I am serious here folks, look at decent history books that try and passingly engage with it in the US. To a one they all portray Trotsky as a sympathetic victim and many give the impression of Lenin as a good guy who inevitably (because muh human nature) was replaced by this caricature creature, this evil monster drawing of Stalin they have who ruined everything with his brutality. Stalin's greatest crime to the authors of this narrative, many of whom were likely Nazis themselves the US helped escape and gave power in NATO and elsewhere was Stalin's defeat of Hitler and keeping the USSR together afterwards. Anyone who rejects Stalin but upholds Lenin has a head full of propaganda where critical thought should be.
Probably because it's a more broad antifascist symbol nowadays.
Even back in the day, there were multiple interpretations (all by the socdems tho), they designed the symbol, because it's easy to "destroy" a swastika with it by spraying over it.
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For example:
None of that is overtly anti-communist, but (as other respondents have pointed out) the symbol has at various times been used in part as opposition to communism (among other things).
On a scale of 1 to sus, it's a little sus, but you can count on people using the symbol to reliably oppose the flavor of fascism currently being peddled by the GOP. Whether that extends to broader anti-police sentiments or awareness of America's historical fascist tendencies varies from person to person.
I find anyone whose only ideology is "anti-fash" a little sus
The three arrows were the symbol of the Eiserne Front - the militant wing of the Weimar Republic's SDP. Originally it represented opposition to monarchism, capitalism, and fascism but the capitalism got replaced with communism when they did the heel turn in 1932.
"soviet style communism" ie stalinism not broadly communism
anti-communism is anti-communism
is the ussr flag anti-communist for taking part in dismantling anarchist communist tendencies?
Someone had to take power in Russia.
not really no
and i was talking about spain
and that wasnt the question
tfw you totally know that every imperialist nation invaded Russia to assist the White Army, but they totally could have just not had a centrally organized army to stop counterrevolutionaries.
tfw central organization magically makes guns shoot harder or something
til guns are the only thing you need to win wars
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also monarchism was often considered to represent reactionaryism - i.e. there was still a commitment to socialism and it was an explicitly counter reactionary symbology throughout its time. even though it became somewhat factional
Most people still interested in the class struggle here are tankies or maoists lol
where
...this website?
you think there are people on this website that arent interested in class struggle?
Not their primary focus anymore, and im not even talking about people who complain about "class reductionism"
do explain
No debatebro shit the lib to commie pipeline is dead
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The ML understander has logged on (this is meant to be a playful rift please dont start a struggle session lmfao)
100 years of winning baby
lmao, i fucking wish
compared to DOTB, yeah not really
eat shit (this is meant to be a playful rift please dont start a struggle session lmfao)
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This isnt about evolving, it's the fact that most blac bloc posers copied european activists from the 70s and 80s, many of whom were coopted by the cia