https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1712180772151710190
This is a pretty common take I see among liberal democrats.
Not only is it horrifically racist, it's also a childish idea of democracy.
Could you imagine how awful it would be to lose control of your own country? Maybe herded into certain regions that are just a small fraction of your original land where access is highly controlled and militarized?
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I'm very glad I stopped listening to his shit when it was just Rome and Mongols.
It’s because it takes him an unreasonable amount of time to do a podcast. When he was doing his big series on the Japanese during WW2, it took him ~6 months to do a single podcast episode.
Even by lib history standards, his stuff hasn’t been all that good for years. He peaked with his WW1 series (really just the first half of it or so) and has been pretty mid ever since.
Isn't this literally the justification that was given for the three fifths compromise? Isn't this literally just KKKolonizer brain talking? Why does anyone take this clown seriously?
Isn't this literally the justification that was given for the three fifths compromise?
No. That was about slave states trying to get congressional representation for their enslaved populations. They wanted all slaves to count towards their population for the sake of proportioning congressional seats. Non-slave states (or states with relatively few slaves) wanted the slaves not to count because they had no democratic rights, and therefore would just inflate representation for the slaveholding class. 3/5ths compromise is how it got settled; 3/5ths off a state's enslaved population would be counted for representation in the House.
would be counted for their owners' representation in the house.
the us government was of and for white men, more people than white men were counted for any census and for portioning the house but that wasn't representation for women, non-landowning men, slaves, minor children, or any natives who managed not to get kicked out of the area (the census might've skilled the latter)
Either Palestinians get full Israeli voting rights or Israel relinquishes its claim to govern Gaza and the west bank. They can't have it both ways.
I think this is the best way to explain it to people who don’t really know much about the situation (which is like 99% of white Westerners who aren’t already pro-Palestine). It boils it down into a digestible issue - it’s either autonomy or enfranchisement, Israel is offering neither. Thus it is by definition apartheid. If someone tries to argue they do have autonomy… well this is pretty easy to prove wrong and tbh after all this I don’t think anyone is going to go back to pretending Gaza and West Bank have real autonomy. Only other option is to be like Dan here and say “then the Jewish people won’t have disproportionate control over ‘their’ country”… then at least you’re backing them into a two state solution which, still not great but it should at least break loose most of the propaganda they’ve been fed.
The thing is, zionists like to pretend that Gaza is totally independent already. Because nothing says independence like being blockaded from all sides and having your infrastructure bombed regularly so you have to depend on the people who bomb you to send in food and power.
It's Schrodinger's Border. It simultaneously is and isn't a border, depending on what's convenient. You talk about Israel's atrocities? "Well, doesn't Israel have a right to defend their borders?" If you bring up that, if Palestine is a separate country, what Israel is doing is undeniably an act of war and a war of aggression, then it's "it's not a separate country, though".
god i just don't give an absolute shit about what israelis are going through rn ngl. i feel bad for like, jewish people who aren't settlers that are worried about their families, but wanting anyone to empathize with people who live next to an open-air mass concentration camp is ludicrous.
like, if you live in america, next to a federal prison, are you like, surprised if someone breaks out? no, that'd be insane, you have to accept the nature of the carceral state in some way if you are constantly materially confronted with it.
edit: specifically, everyone near such an unstable situation as caged human beings knows that it's analogous to standing by a bomb. it will eventually go off. the question is just when, and how you've prepared yourself for it, and what happens next.
And in this corner, saying some absolutely heinous bullshit, it's Dan "The White Man" Carlin!
Me when I'm in "The most fascist shit ever said" contest and my opponent is a white man
quickly lose control of their own country
Well it's not like they've been doing a great job running things
Now there's a name I haven't seen in years. I thought he was relegated to the dustbin of fascists no longer useful to the right, alongside Milo and Richard Spencer.
are out-breeding us!"
