Welcome to the Melbourne Community Daily Discussion Thread.
This is a shit outcome. It's not surprising, but it's shit. To the Indigenous Australians amongst us: I'm sorry. I hope one day Australia will show you the respect and care you deserve.
Ultimately, I'm angry. Angry at this country, really. We need to be better than this.
Agreed. First Nations peoples should get the vote and the right to have elected representatives in all levels government. I just don't understand why people would vote no to that.
seriously, I thought I would be flamed for that post
If I had 400 million I would have spent it on educating First Nations people on how to use the power they have, to vote and stand for elected government. Government has the power to make policy and direct spending.
USE YOUR POWER.
Yeah I really just do not understand why it's a bad thing that our First Nations peoples can have more say when it comes to stuff related to them. Like I heard one wild thing was if the voice was majority yes, then First Nations peoples would kick every person out of their house.
First, what an absolutely wild assumption. Secondly, I mean that's what white colonisers did...
I’m really angry and sad. I’m angry and sad like I was when Australia voted in Morrison’s shit circus in 2019 over Bill Shorten‘s genuine reform alternative. Fear, ignorance, and a really nasty bubbling streak of racism.
I was hoping that there might have been a chance that it got through but it seems not to be.
It’s really sad to be honest that this is the outcome.
Looks like Victoria is the only state that might vote yes and even that’s not a given. I really thought this would be closer.
We ARE better than this. Let’s be clear, Australia has voted against Murdoch media in the past, but labor set this up to fail hard. Albo should resign. This will be spun as a win for the libs, but a huge portion of Aussies didn’t understand what they were voting for. I agree, those who didn’t had a responsibility to educate themselves, but labor had a responsibility to show people why this was a vote for unity.
I'm just, I'm so disappointed. I mean, it feels weird to vote for the idea to give people more rights when they're the ones who lived here first. It's like taking a vote on if you should allow your housemate to be on the lease.
It's just really disappointing. Labor didn't expect that the No vote would come out swinging and because of that there was A LOT of misinformation. Honestly, if you have fucking NAZI'S on your side... you should really re-evaluate your opinions.
Not looking forward to the results of the national racism check. We probably didn’t need a referendum to know the result. God I hope I’m wrong.
Just in: Australians are a pack of racists. Also the floor is made of floor
NOT ALL. 45% voted yes
And I think too many people who voted no are just really really stupid and let themselves be swayed by simple propaganda.
why the fuck can't reasonable people make propaganda to sway voters?!>! It's not unethical to have catchy jingles.
So not a fan of this crap. Certain politicians don't want to take responsibility for their bigoted views, so they ask citizens to decide and then stir up smear campaigns and misinformation. And so many people buy it.
Gay marriage was banned in 2004 by John Howard's government and it only got made legal again in 2017 because the hatemongering/sabotage didn't work and the numbers passed. (There are legal differences but the underlying plan was the same.)
Bill and Ted watching cat telly together 🤗😸😸
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They would be arguing about who would get the bird the quickest. I know brothers.
Cat TV is the best - my ragdoll spends hours on her tree watching it
After this result (I voted yes) I hope what comes next is more funding for better indigenous health outcomes and remote community support through legislation.
This isn't the end of the conversation.
Can't sleep, too nervous for the inevitable and unfortunate No result of the referendum.
I can't vote so it feels crushing to know I can't do much but watch No very likely win.
The result should come in very quickly because the counting process is very simple.
Ok morning, here's my plan..
- attend to Minipeelers re breakfast and Milo/chai
- exercise
- vote
- grocery
- butcher
- get a soup stock on
- get a soup on
- Mt Washmore
- pretend to relax while I worry about everything else that needs to be done
- worry about turning 50 in a few days
- buy small gift or two to give to Mr P to give to the kids to give to me
In no particular order.
Omg huge milestone birthday coming up! Mr Peeler better show you a good time. Any plans?
Not really. Mr P on the dole and I'm a bit skint so I suspect that the actual day (being a school and work day) will involve more of the usual lol. But there will be cake (bought a reliable packet mix for them to make up while I'm at work).
Well in case it goes by without fanfare, let me just wish you all the best and happy birthday now🥂
Wondering to risk putting the laundry out - it's all blustery out there and looks miserable but no real rain as such.
The black dog continues to lurk for honestly no good reason at all. It's getting quite tedious. I have taken my massive vit D supplement but something tells me I need more sun. I've enjoyed having my blackout blinds in my bedroom but I think I need to leave more sun filtering through so I wake up more naturally and start the day a bit less groggy and shitful...
E: I had some coffee and it definitely helped but now I feel a bit jittery instead. I started looking at jobs in Perth ........
Bleah. Might just. Looks like little bands of spitting showers here and there. At least Tuesday is looking good for doing the sheets and blankets...
Victoria has had a First Peoples' Assembly since 2019. This is largely identical in role and function to what the federal Voice would be, but it is tasked with representing its views at a state level.
Sadly, while I try to hold on to a bit of hope, it is almost certain Victoria will not be voting Yes today.
Make it make sense.
I know people both who are voting yes and no. Whilst the odd person that votes no might have a thought through reason, there’s also many who are voting no because Don’t know, Can’t be bothered I have better things to do, Conspiracy theory xyz , I hate Albo, why should they get something special, etc. Its horrifying how many people are in this category. I think the vote is not really split between yes and no, it’s split between yes, no, and cooker. Was never gonna be a fair debate.
Make it make sense.
One was victim to a widespread, American-style disinformation campaign. The other was not. That is the difference.
Always remember that polling was supportive of a national Indigenous advisory body until the Coalition completely abandoned their historic position of bipartisan support and started bombarding Australian voters with unadulterated lies.
We need to fucking do something about our media. That's the problem. Misinformation and propaganda outlets control almost all of the media, and tbh I think News Corp needs to be completely shuttered.
The No vote will be a terrible outcome for the Indigenous Australians, and the children of colonisers irresponsibly ignored their wishes because of a perceived "risk".
When every constitutional law expert has been ignored, then you know there's a real problem
WA has a body at the State level, also. WA will also likely return a "No" vote.
And SA has just established one. There might be more around the place too.
One disadvantage of living near the top of a hill is that the walk home is always upwards. A lot of walking to write a few letters on a piece of paper, but I did get to see some nice gardens on the way - one place in particular had a stunning native garden. I also got to pat a dog (a young excitable Husky, which I expect will be trouble in the future as the owner did not seem to have any idea how to deal with it, unfortunately).
We live in the top of a hill too.
I walked to vote this morning. The rest of the household drove. They bet me there and back by 30 seconds.
The walk back uphill was very tiring because they didn’t have Democracy Sausages at the Polling Station.
My walk was about 20 mins each way, so driving definitely would have been quicker. It would be half the time if I could walk direct, but there is a big sports complex and a school in the way I have to walk around.
I woke up a little late after being exhausted last night. I decided to go ahead and cook my big breakfast or in this case lunch.
I’ve got toasted bread, eggs under the bacon, some charred fried tomatoes, onion and mushrooms with some hash brown and a couple of sausages and also a little bit of Dino pasta.
Sorry about messiness of the plate and playing but here it is.
I have to say I’m stuffed now.
photo of my big lunch
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I think I made the mistake of turning on to the abc’s vote counting broadcast.
Listening to a politician on his view about the No vote and how he talks makes me sick.
Of course they support the idea and everything about recognition and how there’s so many ways to word it but of course they’re opposed to the no vote for the same amount of reasons and words that all mean the same thing.
Political spin makes my head hurt.
I’m putting on a movie before the women’s afl or cricket starts.
The majority no vote reflects a few things:
- Many are uncomfortable with race based provisions in the constitution ( the fact one is already there didn't mean we should add another - it's an argument to remove it).
- Australians don't trust politicians or activists and need a higher standard of proof that something is going to work before putting something in the constitution forever.
- While Australians are not against taking action to assist aboriginals in need (or anyone else for that matter), they are strongly committed to equality in law and in representation in the constitution. Any assistance targeted at particular groups should be accountable, specific and temporary. If an ill defined body is embedded forever and becomes untouchable no matter it's effectiveness, this creates conditions for corruption.
- Australians are practical people and are not easily moved by rhetoric.
- Australians will resist moralizing and condescension.
- Australians are tired of lip service, committees and reports saying the same thing.
What I find very disappointing about the Yes campaign and some yes voters is that they have taken no responsibility for the loss. There doesn't seem to be any consideration of the possibility that the Voice was not the best idea, or any consideration that the campaigning for it was poor. Instead everyone who voted no is branded as racist or dumb . There is an arrogance here which has ultimately led to what is shaping up to be a crushing defeat, and unfortunately this arrogance continues post mortem. Nor does there seem to be much respect for the will of the people, which the outcome of this referendum represents.
What I would expect the government to say at this point : "We fucked up and we take accountability. We ran a very needless, damaging and divisive referendum. We need to find a better way to address the gap that involves the government actually doing their job, starting Monday".
Instead everyone who voted no is branded as racist or dumb
I hated the idea and don't think it was useful for anything than opening dialogue.
But opening dialogue could have been done other ways.
I voted yes because it's another step.
First Nations people already have voting and political rights, they have equal treatment under law and equal access to government monies. I want them to use that to the fullest extent possible.
If it were me and I was in government I would ask what kind of lives they want and I would provide the opportunities for them to achieve that. For each person .
As were most people who voted no. Many just have a different vision of what is good for society. Being a democracy we have to accept that there will always be diversity in belief and opinion about society, even when we vehemently disagree.
Agreed but unfortunately social media in particular brings out a special kind of viciousness in people.
You lost all credibility at "aborigines". You know this is 2023, right? Unfortunately most Australians are motivated by rhetoric fed to them by Murdoch.
Unfortunately this is exactly the kind of nastiness and personal attacks that came out on social media, and some yes voters wondered why they lost.
17k steps for the day, good boy me. Now time to lay on the bed like a cow for the rest of the day 🐮
