how fucked the Middle East is right now
well fuck, i wonder how it got like that... :thonk: :amerikkka:
I love the person in there pointing out that Iraq couldn't fight off ISIS. Like damn I wonder if something happened in the 2000's that totally weakened and destabilized that country...
For a lot of these libs historical consciousness begins at 9/11. Like so much of their thought terminates at that point
Liberals basically think that ideology is a substitute for history. After all, there are entire libraries filled with books explaining how institutions like representative legislatures, the press, the courts, etc. are inherently good and constitute democracy by virtue of their existence. We learn about the Bill of Rights in school, how cool and good the Bill of Rights is, and that by extension the Constitution is good and all the institutions surrounding it are an outgrowth of that good thing and work in service of making the institutions better by serving as a check. We're taught about checks and balances at a Cromwellian "instrument of government" level of sophistication. The institutions are designed to be self-correcting. Look, it says so right here in the Federalist Papers! And look, we started with slavery and now we got Obama! The system works!
Liberals take it for granted that "democratic" institutions, not class struggle, are the primary engine of social progress, and from that foundation they fuck up everything. To a Liberal, anything done in the service of legitimizing these institutions is done in service of social progress itself. Likewise, anything done to undermine these institutions is a harm to the process of social progress. Graft and oppression need to be fought insofar as they harm the reputation of the noble democratic institutions, but no farther since the institutions will "obviously" self-correct and sort that all out "eventually." War after war is an acceptable price to pay as long as it can be explained as the necessary price of exporting these institutions around the globe. And once those institutions are established, they must be defended at all costs because of the indescribable price which was paid to achieve them.
The economics of it all don't even register. The historical precursors don't register. Instead of being the driving force of historical progress, class struggle only registers as forgettable scenery which they occasionally duplicate in cargo-cult fashion by walking around on the sidewalk with signs to assauge themselves of guilt. The only thing that matters is if the current action being discussed can be justified in the service of strengthening the institutions which are democratic and progressive by virtue of their existence.
Therefore we end up with shit like "Assad is bad because he's not doing a very good democracy. America does democracy really good so it is okay for us to micromanage a civil war on the other side of the planet. Some people will be vaporized but its okay because they were very anti-democracy and we are very pro-democracy. Sometimes we need to escort minerals over here or over there to make sure the terrorists don't interrupt the commerce of these fine small business owners. We can let everyone vote once the anti-democracy people are all gone."
Reminded of this rant from Foundation (the Mayor of Terminus yelling at the scientists who refused to acknowledge the present circumstances in favor of worshiping past research):
"But you haven’t tried. You haven’t tried once. First, you refused to admit that there was a menace at all! Then you reposed an absolutely blind faith in the Emperor! Now you’ve shifted it to Hari Seldon. Throughout you have invariably relied on authority or on the past — never on yourselves.” His fists balled spasmodically. “It amounts to a diseased attitude — a conditioned reflex that shunts aside the independence of your minds whenever it is a question of opposing authority. There seems no doubt ever in your minds that the Emperor is more powerful than you are, or Hari Seldon wiser. And that’s wrong, don’t you see?”
Just replace Hari Seldon with like Ben Franklin or Hamilton and the Emperor with Pelosi and you've got some grade a lib bashing material.
Only 400,000-1,200,000+ dead civilians but by god we got Saddam!
Love to bust out Microsoft Excel and develop a risk assessment to determine if we murder people. Motherfucker probably supported Buttigieg.
I'm pretty damn liberal
Well shit motherfucker, that's all you had to say!
i love how this ghoul claims to be "pretty damn liberal" and yet they aren't even posting on chapo.chat. fucking poser smh
Preventing all out war in the ME again
What does this genius think is currently happening?
I literally have Excel open right now with a live feed from the predator drone on my second monitor. My actuarial tables will help justify this strike
The "there has to be a good reason why we do this thing or otherwise we wouldn't do it" is such a terrible line of thought. You have google motherfuckers you can go read the given reason why we're doing it and even discern the real reason if you look at history. You can attribute maliciousness to it but I think people are just being lazy and refuse to learn about the things they want to have opinions about.
the US famously does not fund insurgents in the middle east
I'm pretty damn liberal
Well there's your problem - even in the American "Liberal = Democrats" logic, that doesn't make sense. Democrats are fucking bloodthirsty, they just feel like they need to hide it
I love that we're pretending that airstrikes are completely apolitical because they imagined a risk assessment said it was necessary. Just calling balls and strikes. There's no arguing with the spreadsheet.
I have a seething fucking hatred for Risk Assessment as thought of by libs because it starts out promising by thinking about what could go wrong and how to stop or fix that and then you have to start pulling numbers out of your ass and apply those randomly based on the scientific process of "go by what feels right" except shrouded in about 2 pages worth of buzzwords and masturbatory writing and then they pretend the result of this has any more meaning than someone just going "Yeah shit'll go wrong."