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Honestly thought this was just straight up racism toward cultures that eat dogs at first but seems like it’s just that classic vegan “hmm why don’t you eat your pets if you eat other animals? I am very smart” 7th grade bit we’ve all heard a million times before. Le epic redditor style posting
-Soulja
Honestly thought this was just straight up not understanding ethics but seems like it's just that classic omni "Honestly thought this was just straight up racism toward cultures that eat dogs at first but seems like it’s just that classic vegan “hmm why don’t you eat your pets if you eat other animals? I am very smart” 7th grade bit we’ve all heard a million times before. Le epic redditor style posting" 7th grade retort we’ve all heard a million times before. Le epic redditor style posting
Not just annoying but you left the quote open at the end, I’ll be praying for you comrade . Bless
-Soulja
Jesus Christ man China isn’t the only culture that exists. “Asians eat dogs” is a very common stereotype of which you are surely well aware... maybe this shit was intended to just be straight up racist
-Soulja
Eating dog meat is/was definitely a thing in China, it's much less popular with younger generations though
This comm should be /c/omnivore. Vegans already have a comm they can post food in, /c/vegan.
I would get banned in a second and labelled a reactionary for doing this same sort of asinine post with a bunch of bloody, butchered animal stomachs with some dumbass low-tier shit like "lol eating my veggies, look at all the spruce and willows I'm eating!"
Veganism is cool, but its almost as if the lack of meat in the diet correlates with being a less-funny poster.
At least make shit funny if you're gonna be such a shitter
Mods: permission to post my skinned animal carcasses in c/vegan as indigenous reconciliation
Actually, no I am not because I am not smooth-brained and rude
bernie meme:
"I am once again asking vegans not to make their good points unnecessarily stupid and colonial"
I posted there and said i wasnt vegan and they just gave me tips on how to start tho
calling everyone bloodmouth rapists for making a loaf of bread with milk
Hell yeah
My point is that c/omnivore would still get constantly brigaded by vegans
If anyone posted trolling shit like this to /c/vegan about veganism being bad, they'd get banned. The same would apply to /c/omnivore. Rule 1: no vegan concern trolling. That's why a name change is needed. If the community is explicitly non-vegan, then vegans have no business being here, as opposed to a neutral sounding "food" community.
Making this /c/veganfood leaves no regular food community. And again, vegans already have their own community.
That could work but do you not think that could also attract the same kind of "le epic bacon" troll that are annoying to deal with?
I think it's also completely fair for vegans to post their meals in here as well. I think having it open to everyone is just fine.
Are you saying a /c/omnivore would attract people trolling by... posting bacon? That's not annoying.
I think it’s also completely fair for vegans to post their meals in here as well. I think having it open to everyone is just fine.
That would be fine if they didn't also make posts like this very one. The name /c/omnivore would even allow it. The only thing it inherently disallows is attacking people who eat different than you.
I mean more rubbing it in that they're eating meat as opposed to just posting it neutrally.
No one is going to "rub it in" that they eat meat to a community that is inherently accepting of eating meat.
If someone really wants to be an annoying troll, ban them like any other community.
There's no reaction they want. It's just someone huffing their own farts about how much smarter and better they are than other people.
I've literally seen people talk behind their vegan friend's backs for doing stuff like this because they find it annoying.
Like, yeah. What an own. Turns out thousands of years of culture where dogs are companions will be viewed differently compared to other animals that are used for food.
I really don't think this is appropriate for /c/food honestly. I'm fine with vegan recipes being posted or whatever but harassing people for what they eat is just completely wrong.
Edit - I want to add an edit to explain that I'm not openly hostile to vegans and have attempted to change my diet in the past. A lot of their arguments make sense to me and I'll eat least try a vegan diet again when I'm feeling better. But I know from experience that this line of argument just weirds people out.
I've honestly refrained from posting meals I've been proud of on here because I don't want people to get mad at me.
I do have vegan friends and I've always been helpful towards them and their diet. Even looked for places specifically to go and eat out with them because I know how shitty than can be for vegans and vegetarians.
My culture ate and used dogs until we were forced in living memory not to anymore, with no real alternative substitute emerging to replace them.
And when I asked a vegan on here for recipes and tips to become closer to eating vegan and they were like "idk google it"
So I'll get vegans shaming cultures like mine on here, as well as vegans who offer literally no help to become more like a vegan than not. I know how to butcher/cook/make clothes with dogs more than how to eat some veggies, and there isn't always support to balance that out and learn how to change my reflexes wrt eating meat vs veggie dishes.
Veganism is good, most vegans are good, some vegans are totally fucking insufferable and tone-deaf and they are their own worst enemy.
I get that I guess. I understand that vegans get sick of, let's face it, the same shitty arguments and weird "le epic bacon bros" and this is basically an outlet for that. But this is /c/food.
It literally says, in the top corner.
The place for all kinds of food discussion: from photos of dishes you’ve made to recipes or even advice on how to eat healthier and reduce animal products not only for your health but the health of our environment. Be respectful in threads regarding processed foods and animal products, shaming people does no good!
Am I totally missing the point? I thought this was just some silly teasing of our vegan comrades.
Haha, you could replace pretty much this entire comment with, like, kids in cages, and you sound exactly like a fucking lib. "I'm fine with people posting about kids in cages, but harassing people is where I draw the line"
"If you change the words then it would mean something different"
Edit - I keep writing things and then feeling bad afterward lol
Honestly, if you are genuinely trying to change someone's mind then harassing people is literally the complete opposite way of doing things.
People are, on the whole, quite reactionary and protective of their lives. Telling someone that the way they think is wrong will often feel like an attack and, as good as it feels to dunk on someone, it will often make them stand by their beliefs even harder.
What do you think genuinely would help more people turn vegan? Statistics regarding emissions and water usage for farming, or calling someone who eats meat a bloodsucking carnist who consumes animal flesh?
That kind of stuff is all well and good in vegan spaces for having a laugh between people already in the culture but outside you have to be way more careful.
I turned vegan because people shouted at me that my behaviour was unethical and forced me to think. We do the same to people all the time. We dunk on chuds online because we're right, we know we're right, they're being ghouls. Omnivores just don't like realising they're doing the same with animal rights. I act like an asshole because I'm fucking angry. I'm so fucking angry that this is happening. And that people who are good people refuse to think this through and realise this. If you admit that animals have sentience, you can't morally justify eating them. And I'm not gonna coddle anyone until they realise that.
Well first you would have to consider the ability to suffer as something you would want to avoid inflicting upon another being.
Honestly, if you are genuinely trying to change someone’s mind then harassing people is literally the complete opposite way of doing things.
This is counter to the foundation of this website and anyone saying such blasphemy should be kicked back to r/politics
Also this is a vegan space :im-vegan:
Trying to change people's minds by being really nice doesn't work and has never been something this site does lol.
Demanding hog pics is fine but vegans need to be uwu wholesome or they'll hurt my feelings :(
It could be a decent bit but the execution is mediocre so far.
Like if you're gonna try to do satire, at least be good at it.
This line of reasoning expects that the reader has some empathy for dogs, then works forward off of that to point out their lack of empathy for other comparable beings.
Yes, the contention is that the claimed empathy is not actually empathy at all, it's fondness.
These people in theory like dogs, they like having them around, and petting them, and playing with them.
But to empathize with the pain an animal goes through when its life is taken is different. In that, there is no humane slaughter for an animal that wants to live.
I know right it's like how some people consider angrily smearing shit on themselves performance art haha
That's why they're known for being raised as milk-producing animals, instead
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if they’re eating their own pets, or runnin around stealing other people’s pets to eat. Cause that indicates a propensity for anti-social behavior, which is usually bad.
I think more of the "badness" of this comes from non-recognition of property rights, although I'm sure anti-social behavior is also a factor here.
eating dogs is funny. there. solved the puzzle for you.
Please just hurry up and take this bit to its logical conclusion and start posting pictures of people divided up into different cuts of meat. I call the baby veal
Cringe is a reactionary term created to label all progressive pursuits they would rather avoid.
It's certainly often used that way, but it absolutely was not created for that purpose.
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I get the meme, but my ancestors did actually eat and use dogs in living memory and my grandma is very upset that we can't anymore since whites came up and colonized us. Some poor people still use dogs this way because there is no better alternative. It is actually a topic she brings up randomly out of the blue, that's how much it was central to our traditions. Traditions that have ended only because of colonizer moralizing and force.
I know its jokes and all but it still directly touches on my family and culture enough for this to not be cool in my eyes, but I am not trying to get users banned or anything, just showing that not all people love the bit.
Some people on here are too angry and blinded by their own terminally online worldviews to take disagreement in a healthy way.
not being allowed to eat dogs makes my grandma upset
Is this advanced irony
it is honesty.
She grew up eating them and making clothes from them until the era where white people came and killed most of them to make us sedentary and stop traditional living. This was roughly around WW2, and our region became critical for American army infrastructure.
Yeah I am not even super angry, just once again pointing out when privileged vegans miss the mark and end up punching at some marginalized indigenous/ethnic groups more than any real thing they should focus on.
This is just business as usual when being indigenous.
I think veganism is good, actually, but most vegans can be blinded to the reality of others and that blindness often pushes some of the most would-be supporters away (indigenous subsistence peoples with deep connections to lands and animals that are rapidly-changing due to industrial production and climate change)
Me: oh boy I hope chapo chat is done with their name change drama so I can scroll in peace Chapo Chat:
It was satire bro, it wasn't real white supremacy. I don't need to challenge my own white supremacy it was just a joke bro.
Nothing about it is discussing race, you're projecting that onto it as a defense for your own cognitive dissonance.
Pointing out that you have an ethical frustration over eating dogs vs farm animals.
No statement of race in that.
I'm sure this will just re-enforce the "savage" stereotype but I have no ethical qualms about eating dog.
Then the analogy misses its mark for you, because it would need to use another animal that you do have empathy for.
Then the analogy misses its mark for you, because it would need to use another animal that you do have empathy for.
You really have no clue about indigenous people's deep familial relationships with the land and all our relations.
Exactly, nothing about what is being said in this thread is about indigenous people, who have completely different cultural norms.
As a person named after and therefore carrying the spirit of an indigenous warrior said, They don't give a fuck about us
western vegans make a point without being an insufferable asshole challenge
just because they're upvoted doesn't mean they're good posts, especially when there's no downvotes
My grandma and some of my aunts and uncles are actually upset they can't use dogs like they and their ancestors have always done: eating them and using their fur for clothing.
They only stopped doing that overall like 60-70 years ago.
Weird bit, weird tone.
Well... I thought it was funny. I do miss downvotes for posts like this though, where its apparently controversial but not problematic. This isn't something the mods need to remove, but if the community doesn't want to see it, we need some solution imo
You clearly see some indigenous people commenting yet you ignore us and continue being a rude colonizer.
And we're the nerds while you talk about having 69 upvotes?
:huey-wut:
well, when your colonized peoples that survived a genocide get used as the punchline for a joke, yeah its pretty serious my dude.
This is gonna age as well as making T/R/N-slur jokes years ago
"like my ancestors have done for thousands of years!!!"
:mlk-yes:
:yes-comm:
:yes-sicko:
We did that in living memory until people like you tried to genocide us and kill our practices like eating and using dog.
But haha, its funny, I get it.
Wonderful sidestep you racist piece of shit.
Whatever, why should I ever expect introspection and willingness to change from some colonizer?
White moderate, le epic bacon sounding motherfucker
drop the bit for like 1 minute and listen to a comrade, jesus christ. they are telling you they are indigenous and this joke is rubbing them the wrong way because of that and you fuckin tell them to read settlers
that's this entire fucking online community. carry the bit until it's not funny, and it stops being funny the moment it unnecessarily attacks marginalized groups. sticking with your 2011 shit-tier bit when someone telling you what you're doing is wrong is utterly disgusting man.
sticking with your 2011 shit-tier bit when someone telling you what you’re doing is wrong is utterly disgusting man.
Welcome to the "dirtbag left". It fucking sucks.
And do you know what? The "Dirtbag Left" could be good. It could be great in all honesty. It could be a place that uses irony and humor to deflect from the spiritual emptiness that is pervasive throughout the hellscape. It could be a spiritual evolution in the vein of like an Eli Valley cartoon or whatever; disgusting, acknowledging of the disgusting nature of reality, and camaraderie in knowledge of that reality. But it isn't. It's people who listened to a podcast a few years ago recycling bits from it and the endless scrollspace of Twitter ad nauseum, people who've never read a book but have gotten ~5% of Settlers through memes arguing with people who've read 50 and never synthesized a bit of it, it's just tiring. Holy shit, be funny, be compassionate, and try to be both--but the latter takes precedent over the former.
Holy fuck telling indigenous people to "read more" so we can "understand things better." We're clearly literate and engaging with you in your fucking language, we're not going to adopt your fucked up disconnected relationship with the land, our animal relatives, and our culture.
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edit because abbie is a lil coward: I pointed out his anti-indegnous racism, he told me to read settlers.
Why is a racist getting such free-reign, wtf?
eating animals is worse than being a racist asshole who talks down to comrades, obviously. good thing mods were around to remove your comment about having guns, wouldn't want that around here
meanwhile the racist is running around larping about trying to have a technical.
the best snipers in my colonial state's history were indigenous hunters, perhaps people who actually care about revolutions shouldn't alienate those that are likely to be some of the most useful components of it if push ever comes to shove?
:thonk:
Wanna learn to live off the land, to evade capture of better-armed forces, to conceive of models that are not fully subsumed in capitalist realism, etc?
Maybe don't willingly antagonize every indigenous person that says "haha you make a good point but chill on the racism".
you're assuming they actually want that and aren't just trying to pleasure themselves to the view from their assumed moral high ground
I like the idea of giving people maybe 10 downvotes a month.
once we're living in The Road we'll see who has the luxury of refusing to eat dog meat
It's a signifier of wealth in American culture, please do not try to criticize our culture until you have tried dog meat.
