i see shit like this and am just amazed. Like, this isn't even a "before I was a leftist" opinion. This is like the most basic political opinion i can ever remember having. Like, as soon as I was able to have a coherent thought, as soon as I had a child's understanding of how the world works, a literal child's understanding of poverty, I was able to say "maybe people shouldn't live in poverty. " but not only is the above picture an opinion, but a POPULAR opinion. Fucking disgusting
a literal child’s understanding of poverty, I was able to say "maybe people shouldn’t live in poverty. "
I think this is really common, and one of the most horrible things about modern education is that we scrub this type of thinking out of kids' heads. "Why can't everyone just have a house?" "AcKcHyUaLlY if we tried to give everyone a house nobody would get a house because psuedoscientific econ 101 mumbo jumbo."
Akshtually, did you ever hear of the tragedy of the commonsth? I thought not. Itsh not a shtory the liberalsth would tell you.:force-choke-1: :force-choke-2:
I really want to believe that this is mostly due to lifelong propaganda, and not a conclusion people just reach on their own
People have the thought that no one should live in poverty, then, in seeking answers, they're told that poverty is necessary and they believe that is the educated opinion.
I remember my teacher in school saying that "they tried to give some families a house with everything" but "it didn't work". Part of the propaganda we're taught is that just giving people things they need is a kind of hubris. Trying to circumvent the moral way to get things will somehow be punished.
"you see, because they didn't work for it, the house rejected them. It changed the locks and called the police because the house felt that they didn't deserve to live inside it"
"Karmatalism" - the belief that the universe will know if you get something nice you didn't work hard for (ie. through inheritance or ownership) and punish you and the people who gave you the nice stuff for trying to cheat.
Closely related to "real existing utopianism", the belief that we already line in the best of all possible worlds and that any attempt of improving the state of the world will inevitably end in tragedy.
I tell myself it's the propaganda machine, it's material interests, it's capitalist realism, it's this or that, but at the end of the day I just don't understand how someone can not only think this, but accept it as truth. I've been subjected to the propaganda machine as bad as anybody, I've lived under capitalist realism my whole life, the material interests of my class position should be to support capitalism, yet why was I able to avoid being coerced into this way of thinking, when so many of my peers were not? I mean I look and find possible reasons, but at the end of the day I just can't understand how someone can allow themselves to become so completely devoid of humanity in this manner, and say without any hint of irony, I believe some people deserve to die.
Same I remember growing up in poverty and when our electricity, water, or gas would get off I remember thinking no one deserved this. Wasn’t even politically aware at the time. These people really do hate poor people.
"i'd consider myself mostly liberal, except for my normal belief that anyone who's disabled, elderly, or just unlucky should be left to starve and die"
His response to that is "Since when did poverty=death?".
And these absolute mammoth-brains think it's leftists who live in their own ivory tower.
The thing is that while this is de facto what they believe, it doesn't look like that inside their own heads. They honestly believe that everyone who makes an effort should be rewarded — and then the magic fairy dust of the just world fallacy does the rest of the work for them.
They have a dogmatic belief that the current capitalist system is fundamentally fair. Good deeds are rewarded and bad deeds are punished. It follows that if someone is getting bad results out of capitalism they have either committed sinful acts, like being "irresponsible" or "lazy" or they simply haven't tried hard enough.
Leans to the left "for the most part"
Posts in A FUCKING CENTRIST SUBREDDIT. ITS IN THE FUCKING NAME YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOON YOU CLAIM TO BE IN THE FUCKING CENTER
"Centrism lies in a mean between two extremes, one of not even thinking the n-word, and one of outright saying it in public." Neoliberal virtue ethics
The center between "people shouldn't live in poverty" and "people should live in poverty" is "people should live in poverty"
"Why don't you get a job?"
"Why?"
"Why? Why if you had a job you could make three, four, or five dollars an hour!"
"Why?"
"Hell if you had three, four or five dollars an hour you could have a savings account, save up some of that money."
"Why?"
"Well, you save up enough of that money, young fella, pretty soon you never have to work another day in your life."
"Hell, that's what I'm doin' right now!"
:big-cool: when not liking when people live in poverty is a radical position
Wow, a centrist acting like a absolute reactionary. I am very surprised.
No policy mentioned. He's against even the idea of a society without poverty.
Unironically insisting children and the elderly should live in poverty, while thinking you're "leftist". Big oof.
Imagine thinking that poverty is a choice
Imagine thinking that laziness is worse than socially destructive labor
Imagine being mad all the time that you have to support by you y taxes those who can't provide themselves a loving wage. At least I'm mad all the time because the world is so godawfully unjust and apparently nobody can see it.
Agree but also fuck the living wage, I want to make a loving wage from now on
Sorry, Grandma. No tea and biscuits for you! Luxuries only belong to those who work, especially landlords and CEOs.
"Leaning left" in america means you're still a hardcore right-winger, you're just a not a hardcore super turbo extreme 360 noscope kill-em-all 1933 right winger.
