Contributing to the strugglesession by adding “oh yeah, then what happened to the owners of Foxconn?” and immediately doubling down when people point out that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company by saying “oh I thought Taiwan was part of China”
I’m not used to the federation thing yet, I saw this comment and assumed sarcasm, forgot there were dipshits out there that actually think this and that Adrian Zenz is a “reliable source”.
Nobody in the world other than libs and Adrian Zenz state there's a Uyghur genocide. Not a single country (least of all Muslim countries) and not even the UN.
Even Adrian Zenz never said it was a genocide, that was invented whole cloth by Reddit libs like yourself.
stop. read the sources you send before sending them. all of ur claims are backed by Adrian Zenz, a fascist propagandist who has been to China once 15 years ago and claims to know what is currently happening in China. once you read the links you sent, refer to our Posting Policy Bulletin for information on posting here
Literally every single source of the Uyghur genocide goes back to a single study conducted by Adrian Zenz done on a sample size of 8 people from the same village "how many people do you know are in re-education camps", that % is extrapolated to the entire population of Xinjiang to get the estimates of incarceration, then it was published by Radio Free Asia. The millions of people in camps thing was different outlets reporting a singular article done by one guy named Adrian Zenz. Literally look at any article and look into it and they trace back to Radio Free Asia or Zenz.
You can actually go to the Wikipedia article you linked, go to sources, go to the sources' sources and it traces back to Adrian Zenz interviewing 8 people.
I challenge you to follow the citations of literally any article about the supposed genocide. Please I beg of you. It will lead back to the heritage foundation, where zenz works, or a DC thinktank citing the same study.
Every single source you linked literally refers to Adrian Zenz as their source.
The guy who is a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
The foundation that was authorised by the US Congress in 1993.
You're quoting news sources quoting a once-removed US government employee on their political and economic rival. This is why people are dunking on you.
Have you ever heard of Manufacturing Consent, btw?
Linking wikipedia just screams out that you don't actually examine your own sources of info that you already agree with. This is made obvious as shit by the fact that you linked 5 different sources that all go back to Zenz lmao
I was reading this reply chain and was like, “Please don’t use Wikipedia as a source please don’t use Wikipedia as a source please don’t use Wikipedia as a source” and-
Damn dude. 5 sources for your second claim but every single one of them references Adrian Zenz. So really it's only one source. One source that is already debunked.
Wait, I'm supposed to actually read the sources I provide? I thought I could just copy and paste links I found on Wikipedia to automatically win the argument.
I can't believe my heckin' wholesome trustworthy BeeBeeCeerino would cite a report they didn't even read drafted by a fringe lunatic reactionary that can't even do basic 6th grade math
Dude come on, you're using documents you barely read or half remember to argue with people who casually and easily debunked the documents that hold up your entire worldview and we did it 2 or more years ago. You are in way over your head.
Uh yeah I did, and I'm not the only one. I was permanently banned from Reddit for doing it lol. I realize you are probably inundated with replies dunking on you right now, but check my replies to your recent posts. I literally cited the document that disproves Zenz's own report that he himself cites.
You linked to a Wikipedia page that displays a picture of people listening to a speech at a drug rehab facility claiming it is Uyghurs undergoing a genocide. This same page also references Adrian Zenz, who lies once in his original report where he says sterilizations are his biggest evidence of genocide and immediately proceeds to miscalculate the number of IUDs in Xinjiang as being 80% of IUDs in all of China, and then he lies a second time in a follow up where he replies to somebody pointing out his source doesn't support this claim by claiming he was actually calculating only new IUD insertions in Xinjiang being 80% of new IUD insertions in China, which is also false according to his own calculation and source.
https://i.imgur.com/Zsi11eh.jpg
Top: total number in China. Bottom: Xinjiang's number. That's 8.7% of IUD insertions. Not 80%.
Just taking all this data at face value would lead us to believe that the CPC are genociding the region of Henan because ???Communism gives you genocide urges you have to act upon???
Was just pointing out that that was a point not made in your comment. Not everyone can read Chinese but anyone can look up the populations of China and Xinjiang and see that doesn't match up
In particular, forced abortions and sterilizations
Oh boy you should probably not look up what the US is doing in the concentration camps it keeps on its border then. Something we have real evidence of not made up nonsense lmao
they have to check with the senate parliamentarian to see if such a thing can be proposed during this phase of the moon, or if acting to quickly to prevent children from being maimed by bosses for money would violate norms and rules. our government is far too complex of a machine to do anything quickly, except send several billion dollars of cluster bombs anywhere on the planet in 36 hours.
i'm sure someone is working on a subsidized loan so that the kid can purchase a new hand using his HSA and that he loan will be forgiven if he starts a small business in an underserved community and maintains operations for 3 years.
Well, no, but his mom did set up a gofundme to aquire him a hook as he is no longer able to pull himself up by his boot straps. At present the total sits at $4.20 one of his friends put in there. He will be able to collect disability provided he participates in all degrading means tests and doesn't make too much supplementary income. We wouldn't want him living too well after all.
AmeriKKKa doesn't have a left in its political system, only right and far right. Anywhere else in the world, liberalism is correctly viewed as the capital-serving, people-maiming right-wing ideology it is. Give it less than a decade and the GOP will have made "child labor in sawmills, mines and slaughterhouses is cool and good, actually" a bipartisan stance, just as they have normalized torture at blacksites, dronestriking civilians abroad, unprecedented mass surveilance on a scale never before known to man and internment camps on the border. You liberals have accepted all of these as the new status quo, you will do the same with child labor, as is evidenced by the fact that there is zero pushback against this from Democrats on the federal level. They're just waiting until people get used to the latest atrocity, like they always do.
“It’s fine to kill random people in sovereign countries if I have the veneer of the military industrial complex, but consequences for the powerful abusing their power to exploit is where I draw the line. You do realize that we can enact strict regulations to stop them, right?”
For the record, the death penalty probably wouldn’t even happen in this case. So we get another instance of someone crying about a hypothetical they made up
More that it wouldn't happen. There'd be a criminal trial and actually serious fines, but I doubt execution would be on the table. That's generally reserved for stuff like murder, treason, and schnif so on.
True. I'm not a Chinese attorney, and the only cops we have here are , so we don't really know. I do definitely know it's not instant execution, though!
In a proper country like China the business owners would be in front of a firing squad by now
Edit: what the fuck did I just start
Contributing to the strugglesession by adding “oh yeah, then what happened to the owners of Foxconn?” and immediately doubling down when people point out that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company by saying “oh I thought Taiwan was part of China”
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Hey remember when China killed 4.5 million Muslims after 9/11 and no one went to prison
No of course you don't, cause you're a shitlib
I’m not used to the federation thing yet, I saw this comment and assumed sarcasm, forgot there were dipshits out there that actually think this and that Adrian Zenz is a “reliable source”.
I didn’t see anybody praising America?
Wait, you mean China? Have you even read the party planning bulletin?
https://hexbear.net/PPB
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Murder is not required to commit genocide, because it is defined as destruction of a people. In particular, forced abortions and sterilizations can qualify as genocide, even though no-one is murdered.
I didn't say they are targeting only one group, but at least one group that they are targeting is the Uyghurs.
Nobody in the world other than libs and Adrian Zenz state there's a Uyghur genocide. Not a single country (least of all Muslim countries) and not even the UN.
Even Adrian Zenz never said it was a genocide, that was invented whole cloth by Reddit libs like yourself.
Why are you bringing up some random German dude? No one cares.
"Why are you bringing up the guy I brought up as a source for my claims" lmao dumbass
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Says the person who can't read their own sources.
stop. read the sources you send before sending them. all of ur claims are backed by Adrian Zenz, a fascist propagandist who has been to China once 15 years ago and claims to know what is currently happening in China. once you read the links you sent, refer to our Posting Policy Bulletin for information on posting here
"Bold statements for someone who didn't read a single linked source."
"Who is this Adrian Zenz guy that was cited by name in every single source I linked?"
You don't realize it, but this is one of the funniest comments I've ever seen online. Thank you for that.
Literally every single source of the Uyghur genocide goes back to a single study conducted by Adrian Zenz done on a sample size of 8 people from the same village "how many people do you know are in re-education camps", that % is extrapolated to the entire population of Xinjiang to get the estimates of incarceration, then it was published by Radio Free Asia. The millions of people in camps thing was different outlets reporting a singular article done by one guy named Adrian Zenz. Literally look at any article and look into it and they trace back to Radio Free Asia or Zenz.
You can actually go to the Wikipedia article you linked, go to sources, go to the sources' sources and it traces back to Adrian Zenz interviewing 8 people.
It’s crazy what watching Vaush does to people’s brains. Just completely transformed into mulch overnight
Because literally all of these claims attribute him as their source.
I challenge you to follow the citations of literally any article about the supposed genocide. Please I beg of you. It will lead back to the heritage foundation, where zenz works, or a DC thinktank citing the same study.
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Hmm, those two things don't seem to fit together.
You could have just said "actually I have no idea what I'm talking about" instead of linking wikipedia
That's a weird way to spell "I am too incompetent to click on the links to secondary sources for what I want vetted", but here you go.
First claim I made: https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf
Second claim: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-forces-birth-control-uighurs-suppress-population
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
https://www.dw.com/en/china-uighur-women-reportedly-sterilized-in-attempt-to-suppress-population/a-54018051
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
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Every single source you linked literally refers to Adrian Zenz as their source.
The guy who is a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation.
The foundation that was authorised by the US Congress in 1993.
You're quoting news sources quoting a once-removed US government employee on their political and economic rival. This is why people are dunking on you.
Have you ever heard of Manufacturing Consent, btw?
Linking wikipedia just screams out that you don't actually examine your own sources of info that you already agree with. This is made obvious as shit by the fact that you linked 5 different sources that all go back to Zenz lmao
I was reading this reply chain and was like, “Please don’t use Wikipedia as a source please don’t use Wikipedia as a source please don’t use Wikipedia as a source” and-
That's a weird way to spell "I am too incompetent to click on the links to secondary sources for what I want vetted", but here you go.
First claim I made: https://www.un.org/ar/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf
Second claim: https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-forces-birth-control-uighurs-suppress-population
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
https://www.dw.com/en/china-uighur-women-reportedly-sterilized-in-attempt-to-suppress-population/a-54018051
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
Damn dude. 5 sources for your second claim but every single one of them references Adrian Zenz. So really it's only one source. One source that is already debunked.
Wait, I'm supposed to actually read the sources I provide? I thought I could just copy and paste links I found on Wikipedia to automatically win the argument.
I can't believe my heckin' wholesome trustworthy BeeBeeCeerino would cite a report they didn't even read drafted by a fringe lunatic reactionary that can't even do basic 6th grade math
Bold statements for someone who didn't read a single linked source.
Dude come on, you're using documents you barely read or half remember to argue with people who casually and easily debunked the documents that hold up your entire worldview and we did it 2 or more years ago. You are in way over your head.
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Uh yeah I did, and I'm not the only one. I was permanently banned from Reddit for doing it lol. I realize you are probably inundated with replies dunking on you right now, but check my replies to your recent posts. I literally cited the document that disproves Zenz's own report that he himself cites.
I'm not the one using Wikipedia to back up my argument lmao.
You linked to a Wikipedia page that displays a picture of people listening to a speech at a drug rehab facility claiming it is Uyghurs undergoing a genocide. This same page also references Adrian Zenz, who lies once in his original report where he says sterilizations are his biggest evidence of genocide and immediately proceeds to miscalculate the number of IUDs in Xinjiang as being 80% of IUDs in all of China, and then he lies a second time in a follow up where he replies to somebody pointing out his source doesn't support this claim by claiming he was actually calculating only new IUD insertions in Xinjiang being 80% of new IUD insertions in China, which is also false according to his own calculation and source.
https://i.imgur.com/Zsi11eh.jpg
Top: total number in China. Bottom: Xinjiang's number. That's 8.7% of IUD insertions. Not 80%.
Tbf 8.7% of IUD insertions would still have Xinjiang dramatically overestimated
Just taking all this data at face value would lead us to believe that the CPC are genociding the region of Henan because ???Communism gives you genocide urges you have to act upon???
Was just pointing out that that was a point not made in your comment. Not everyone can read Chinese but anyone can look up the populations of China and Xinjiang and see that doesn't match up
but enough about Zenz
Oh boy you should probably not look up what the US is doing in the concentration camps it keeps on its border then. Something we have real evidence of not made up nonsense lmao
Based on percent of total population, Uyghurs are the second fastest growing ethnic group in all of China. Who are they second to? Tibetans.
If you think China is doing genocide via birth control, remind me not to get birth control from China
Just giant funnels instead of condoms
Genocide is when you have ~17,000 mosques, and the more mosques you have the more genocidal it is
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
China isn't run by one person lol
Buddy you forgot to call them authoritarian!
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Child Labor fans when someone suggests that child labor is a moral outrage:
As opposed to the bourgeois dictatorship of the US
The Telmarines had it coming, don't defend them lol
Lol, don't know where to start with your comment
Oh it's like the good old days of the sub
You understand it's the right pushing for this, not the left, correct?
You understand you're not on the left, right?
You understand you have no idea what my beliefs are, right?
Sure go on then, what are your beliefs around business owners who operate plants where teenagers lose their hands?
You've already demonstrated such thorough ignorance about basic politics that I do in fact know for sure you're not a leftist.
Executive order banning all forms of child labor when?
they have to check with the senate parliamentarian to see if such a thing can be proposed during this phase of the moon, or if acting to quickly to prevent children from being maimed by bosses for money would violate norms and rules. our government is far too complex of a machine to do anything quickly, except send several billion dollars of cluster bombs anywhere on the planet in 36 hours.
i'm sure someone is working on a subsidized loan so that the kid can purchase a new hand using his HSA and that he loan will be forgiven if he starts a small business in an underserved community and maintains operations for 3 years.
Well, no, but his mom did set up a gofundme to aquire him a hook as he is no longer able to pull himself up by his boot straps. At present the total sits at $4.20 one of his friends put in there. He will be able to collect disability provided he participates in all degrading means tests and doesn't make too much supplementary income. We wouldn't want him living too well after all.
AmeriKKKa doesn't have a left in its political system, only right and far right. Anywhere else in the world, liberalism is correctly viewed as the capital-serving, people-maiming right-wing ideology it is. Give it less than a decade and the GOP will have made "child labor in sawmills, mines and slaughterhouses is cool and good, actually" a bipartisan stance, just as they have normalized torture at blacksites, dronestriking civilians abroad, unprecedented mass surveilance on a scale never before known to man and internment camps on the border. You liberals have accepted all of these as the new status quo, you will do the same with child labor, as is evidenced by the fact that there is zero pushback against this from Democrats on the federal level. They're just waiting until people get used to the latest atrocity, like they always do.
Ahem.
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“It’s fine to kill random people in sovereign countries if I have the veneer of the military industrial complex, but consequences for the powerful abusing their power to exploit is where I draw the line. You do realize that we can enact strict regulations to stop them, right?”
For the record, the death penalty probably wouldn’t even happen in this case. So we get another instance of someone crying about a hypothetical they made up
What no analysis of material conditions does to a mf
Did you ever consider the possibility that the right can have the correct take on things, albeit for extremely deluded reasons
You can start with "damn u right"
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More that it wouldn't happen. There'd be a criminal trial and actually serious fines, but I doubt execution would be on the table. That's generally reserved for stuff like murder, treason, and schnif so on.
They executed people who killed babies with leaded milk a while ago, but those guys were also responsible for death.
The more I learn about China the more I like it
Wait until you learn what the Soviets achieved and you'll be as miserable as the rest of us
2008 Chinese milk scandal
(the milk was contaminated with melamine, not lead. killed six infants and harmed many more)
True. I'm not a Chinese attorney, and the only cops we have here are
, so we don't really know. I do definitely know it's not instant execution, though!
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