If you're ancestrally from a tropical climate, the biggest and most efficient fat sources (apart from animals) were coconuts and other highly saturated (sometimes monounsaturated) crops

also, even the animals from tropical climates have lower total fat levels, and within that fat a higher proportion of saturated fat

anyway the issue is more about the person's individual phenotype and the total amount of polyfats. I still eat some nuts and seeds, but I feel awful when I resume eating food cooked in "vegetable oil". (or any high polyfat oil)

I also feel awful eating food cooked in pork grease, but solid pork meat is fine. This is probably because the grease contains a much higher amount of polyfats, while the fat left over on the solid meat is mostly monounsaturated/saturated. (polyfats are liquid at room temperature and even very cold temps, while saturated fats are solid)

Whole foods are definitely different from eating chemically separated oils, they have higher vitamin E which ameliorates the inflammatory effects of polyfats (which turn into prostaglandins especially in African and Indian people's bodies), and they also have much less total fat in general

it's funny because there's a ton of shitty companies trying to con closeted trans women into taking phytoestrogen supplements as an OTC transition drug. it's well known in trans communities that at best the dosages are too low to do anything and at worst have a straight up negative impact because phytoestrogens have an extremely weak estrogenic effect, so they block up the estrogen receptors and prevent the actual estradiol in your system from doing anything. some recent studies show that at a sufficiently high dosage, they can permanently harm breast development and the like, but the effect/sample sizes are too small to be certain yet (medical research on transition fucking sucks -- there's no funding and they operate on samples of like 10 people at a time).

For the record I eat tofu maybe once a week. The seed oil issue is not the phytoestrogens, it's the polyunsaturated fat, and it's not just soybean oil it's any oil with high polyfats (corn cottonseed, etc). And it doesn't "feminize" you (chuds are just small pp and therefore obsessed with feminization), it just does bad stuff in general, depending on your phenotype

chuds have only found out about this since 2019 or so (they are incapable of anything original), I've been avoiding them (not religiously) since 2010. And my health got a lot better after doing so. I had liver spots that disappeared after doing this and my scalp got a lot less greasy, and my hair quality improved. Behavioral changes too, much less agitated and intense and "overly focused", more flexible, higher attention span

I also experienced similar effects when taking aspirin, which is a known inhibitor of the enzyme which transforms those polyfats into inflammatory prostaglandins. Obviously taking drugs isn't the most "natural" thing so I'd rather just lower the polyfat intake at the start of the chain

I should also mention that I'm ancestrally from a tropical climate, and the whole point of polyunsaturated fat aka the reason it even exists, is so that it survives freezing temps which only happen in temperate climates. (think about what happens when you put coconut oil in the fridge, now imagine what that does to the coconut seed--any saturated fat crop in a temperate climate would just instantly go extinct since all its seeds would die from the fat freezing and destroying its tissues)

So the seed oils are probably fine, and maybe even necessary, for most mayos and east asians (and probably latinos since Native Americans came from the north) who evolved eating tons of polyfat crops with no alternative. Again this is just a generalization and there are all sorts of individual phenotypes in every group

If anything the people who need to be avoiding seed oils the most are Black and Indian people generally speaking

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Vegetable oil at the store is typically soybean, but yeah the anti-oil weirdos lump soybean, peanut, corn, etc. together with canola, sunflower, safflower, palm, etc. Unless it's lard or olive oil it's all the same to them

Pretty sure this is debunked. Most protein powders are soy based.

The gymbro industry wouldn't let that anywhere their workouts if it lowered testosterone.

phyto-estrogen, which is processed by humans as normal-ole’ human estrogen, having a literal and physical feminising effect on males.

You're such a fucking rube

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Nonsense. If phytoestrogens worked the same way as human estrogen, don't you think there would be major physical differences between say, vegans and non-vegans? If consuming large amounts of phyto-estrogen could cause significant physical changes to your body, I think we would know by now.

Is this a bit? Because I’ve genuinely never seen one of you in the wild until right now and this isn’t the place I expected it.

From research I read, the phyto-estrogens have the opposite effect you’re saying. While they have a very similar structure to estrogen, they aren’t estrogen. So at most they trick the body into producing more testosterone. But phyto-estrogens, as plant hormones, obviously are not absorbed or used by our body….

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It wouldn't come in massive bottles if it wasn't a delicious drink.