Obviously this has some glaring flaws on the surface level, but I'm just sitting here wondering which lucky so called "third world" country gets the first contract to virtually drive American streets for a dollar an hour. Oops, internet lagged a bit, and your uber driver just drove into the delta, sorry bud.

This also can potentially skirt an immense amount of labor laws, and since big tech looooooves to "disrupt" things I have zero faith in its safety. https://www.fastcompany.com/90653650/halo-driverless-car-sharing-service

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Look, I'm totally in favor of driving yanks off a cliff while getting paid in dollars for it.

    • Koa_lala [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm sure you wouldn't even be liable too. The perfect job

      • VILenin [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        My uhh internet cut out for a second there, oopsie

        • comi [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          my cat made me ready for this shit

  • Woly [any]
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    3 years ago

    Can't wait for the first person to get run over by one of these cars because of lag.

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Or they'll be on the freeway and there's some lag, the car comes to a stop, and causes a 20 car crash that kills five people.

  • sam5673 [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    It's almost like you can only generate surplus value by exploiting workers

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        :marx-joker:

        Because the only things of value are social product and a machine cannot create social product, only consume and convert it to another form. Arbitrage during moments of innovation and market change can lead to the creation of commodities with a higher price than their actual value, but the value still comes from the labor put into both the dead labor/means of production (machines and fractional products) and living labor that created the commodity.

        Basically, bubbles keep forming and bursting because capitalism is incapable of reconsiling the contradictions that lead to the arbitrage that destroys the economy. The economy only functions smoothly when commodities have a price equal to their value and crashes when insane stuff happens that totally changes the relationship between price and value leading to massive accumulation of currency by the owners and stagnation of wages for the workers.

        This wouldn't matter if most of the people on earth weren't proletarians and their subsistence came from social production and instead came from subsistence farming or some sort of feudal arrangement, but alas, that is not the case and now someone inventing an app that changes the division of labor in the transportation industry has ripple effects through the entire economy leading to collapse and crisis.

        (Also, always remember that price and value are very different things! Price is just an attempt to represent labor value by means of another commodity which in turn is defined by its own labor value. This contradiction is the primary one used to suppress wages and increase the rate of profit/surplus value generation. Your work has a true value and you are given a portion of it in wages/the price of your labor while your employer gets to keep the rest)

      • sam5673 [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        Machines can only act as a store of value, their cost over the long run evens out to cover all the benefits

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        https://hexbear.net/post/122725

        this whole thread will help

        • Machinery that streamlines, quickens, and/or expands production does not create new value. Machines are embodiments of large amounts of living labor bound up in a fixed, dead form. It does not create new value, it merely transfers its embodied value into its outputs over time, which manifests as depreciation. Machines and facilities are represented as being fixed constant capital .
        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          Seems like they would better be described as a labor multiplier. X hours to build a piece of durable good and Y hours to operate it yields Z value, which is some percentage higher than the same Y hours spent without the durable good in hand.

          Giving a guy an Excel spreadsheet to crunch numbers rather than doing it all on paper (or, god forbid, in your head) for instance.

          Then you get economies of scale as you manufacture and distribute the durable goods. So, the first computer costs far more to build than the 101st or the 10,000,001st. And, similarly, coding the first iteration of Excel is far more expensive than copying that file and distributing it.

          Yes, there's a discrete cost to creating the durable good. And this cost could be spent doing the work that the durable good is intended to do. But the yield provided by direct labor absent the good scales linearly, while the yield provided by crafting the good and passing it on to others scales geometrically.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    sorry boss the car I was connected to and remotely piloting crashed and killed a pregnant woman because my ISP just started throttling me again...

  • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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    3 years ago

    sitting in the backseat of my sedan nervously watching the connection strength flicker between 1 and 2 bars as I enter the crowded highway tunnel

  • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    They've already done this with supposedly autonomous sidewalk drones that were actually driven by workers in the Global South.

  • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    This has been a long time coming. Starsky Robotics was using remote drivers to fill in the gaps of their driverless semi-trucks like 3 years ago. Just wait till VR and telerobotics allow us to "bid for opportunities" to take over control of humanoid robotics when they find themselves in situations their neural nets can't handle. It'll totally be like a virtual mechanical turk.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Most of Amazon and Googles data is literally done in a mechanical turk way. If it can't figure out what you said, it sends the audio to a human getting 25¢ per task to transcribe it and train the algorithm.

      • JoeByeThen [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Oh, yeah, absolutely. I actually did some of the 'OK, Google' stuff on mturk back in the day when they were first building their datasets.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    This is it. This is the worst idea I've ever seen in my life. You're gonna have virtual drivers with shit internet going around merking people, and then people getting behind the wheel of a car in Las Vegas of all places? It'll be a blood bath, let alone that no one they'll be targeting for this should probably be driving.