It’s probably all genx/boomers who got their foot in the door before it closed
Look at those stats! It's like you can see society stratifying over time.I mean this doesn't necessarily show a historical trend in ownership, just that people earlier in life are less likely to be homeowners, which makes sense since peoples' income does tend to increase and their reliance on their parents decreases as they get older and advance in their careers. You'd want to look at ownership rate over time, not by age at one point in time.
Hey, they aren't just the history teacher, they're also the girls soccer coach.
how the fuck is the USA at 65
when ever I drive by all the big houses and stuff I'm always like who is buying and living in these things lol
even tho theres a lot of us poors out there, there's still a pretty decent amount of petite bourgeois out there. I have some friends that are rich and its funny when I hung out with them, like traveling to a bizarro world kinda tbh
Not in the specific houses im talking about lol. But yes labor aristocrats do own a lot of the homes i imagine generally speaking
They also look at households not people. This changes quite a bit.
They can take away my ability to own a house, a car, the surplus value I create... but they can never take away my ability to own the libs! :big-cool:
Wait a second, why there is "0% ownership" in DPRK? It even has a note: "The data was obtained from official papers in 2014 stated that all housings and residential properties were owned by the socialist government. Ownership of the houses is illegal under the law and will be sentenced to hard labor. Despite the claims, several defectors reported that there are several residents managed to own their homes in North Korea as these homes are purchased through black market is increasing as of 2014."
The source is a news article, which isn't the most reliable source...
these homes are purchased through black market
How does someone read that and not yell "get the fuck out of here" at their screen? A black market for houses? How the fuck is that supposed to work?
you walk into a back alley and talk to some shady guy wearing a big trenchcoat, who swings it open to reveal a pack of shingles or a door frame or bag of concrete which you buy from him for 3 packs of cigarettes. repeat several hundred times until you've acquired enough building materials to build a black market house
yeah, there's no real way to own a house outside the law. What would that even mean?
Something seems lacking with that claim. Ownership is dependent on recognition and protection of a legal system. How exactly do you manage to own a house then when the state explicitly bans you from owning it?
To me this "home ownership" seems more like someone managed to bribe officials to have a specific apartment assigned.
idk if its illegal or how the ownership model works, but the vast majority of standing buildings in the DPRK were levelled by the american invasion, so it stands to reason that almost every house was built / rebuilt by the government. so this might have been through a public housing model.
The stat the US uses is "The homeownership rate is the proportion of households that is owner-occupied. It is computed by dividing the number of households that are occupied by owners by the total number of occupied households."
65% of homes are occupied by the owner. So if you rent a room with 15 other people in a slumhouse, owned home.
Checkout Mauritus on the list and see that their government are basically two socdem/socialist parties taking turn in charge :big-cool:
almost everyone i know rents or pays a mortgage
So they own a home, they just also pay a mortgage.
When you pay a mortgage, you own the home it's just collateral on the loan so if you stop paying the loan, the bank can legally take your home (that you legally own when you purchase it)
The bank is never going to give a shit about what you do with the home is the big difference. As long as you don't deliberately destroy the home, you can do what you want with it. That's really what ownership means
Unless you have an HOA. Fuck HOAs
I used to live in an hoa neighborhood but literally everyone lived like we weren’t.
Couple of my neighbors had chickens, they only really hit me up like twice in 5 years to cut my lawn but most of the time they didn’t say anything and it was a jungle sometimes lol
When local property owners come together to make sure the value of their properties stay high, you got yourself a Soviet in the making
It makes material difference in that you can sell the house, which means your wealth is tied to home prices in your area. This informs the politics of home owners and gives rise to NIMBYism, hostility towards the unhoused, cop worship and other forms of Liberal :brainworms:
Gen Z and Millenials are about 45% of the population, so checks out.
I saw this article posted on another forum the other day, and the poster said, "No wonder China is passing us."
The replies were all:
Lol, you really think China could possibly be any better? Common sense suggests it's clearly worse because I say so.
Then when actual figures are posted, the excuses come out. China's figures are fake, their construction quality is awful, their homes are the size of shoeboxes, etc. Basically any negative they can think of must be true, because it's common sense, duh.
@Mardoniush pointed out that the US figures actually are bullshit though.
their construction quality is awful,
WTYP's Reason #3 for the 9/11 attack making the towers falling down: "Shoddy construction because of finance imperialism needed to form a real estate bubble and didn't care about alienated union labor"
I'm pretty sure having a mortgage counts as owning a home in most counts.
yeah, the home has been paid in full with money in your name to whomever owned it. You are just paying off the loan that gave you that money. Even if it's to the same person, it counts as you having paid them.
I can tell u that in Romania after the socialist gov collapsed the social democrats and liberals stepped in and eliminated that social housing program by selling all the state property for dirt cheap to everyone. problem is people cant really maintain it all so a lot of it is just falling apart. its nice that everyone or their family at least have houses
selling all the state property for dirt cheap to everyone
weird, usually they sell all state property dirt cheap only to their cousins
a lot of it is just falling apart
Just like all the places where you still have to pay a quarter of your salary to keep your shit there.
lol u could buy an apartment for the cost of a tv when all of it was being sold by the state. there was a lot of housing that everyone just was put in charge of basically
But as we saw after the West German annexation of the GDR home ownership in communist states is not real home ownership. If capitalism is restored a great grandchild of a previous owner can come and snatch the home you thought you owned from under your nose.
They'll just make something up. Property rights are only sacred for the bourgeoisie.
You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths.
great grandchild of a previous owner
Which is not bad esp. when it were jewish, socialist, roma and sinti, or gay/queer people who owned the house before Nazis expropriated them.
Of course there ought to be a mechanism of equalization no matter the system.
The vast majority of houses aren't built before 1949, though.
The West Germans who used to own the houses were typically not victims of fascism as this was only done for property confiscated by the East German government. Most of them were people who abandoned their property when they decided to move to West Germany.
After the annexation their relatives, many of whom had never even lived in Germany, suddenly had a better claim to the homes than the East Germans who had bought, paid for, maintained and lived in them for decades had.
I am actually pass German, and did a lot of work within that context.
great grandchild
Really doesn't read as property acquired after 1964. If in that debate you ignore the complexities and historical settings you are dangerously reducing the arguments and - in German context - give Nazis and Ewiggestrigen (eternally past glory people) an argument why they should try to get property back.
