I don't mean to but I lost one of my best friends partially this way :(

It's hard to control sometimes

If I ever find someone who cares about communism/Unix/Plan 9/computer architecture (I see all these as deeply interconnected) as much as I do our power will be unstoppable

Edit: Thanks everyone for your replies and for sharing your experiences, it means a lot to me. I want to reply to everyone I just don't know what to say lol

  • Yurt_Owl
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    7 months ago

    If I info dump even for a minute about anything even if its related to the topic people will shit on me instantly. Idk what their problem is but i found my group of people at work. One of them is a wind up clock you give him a single topic and he'll talk for 2 hours and I love it because his energy is always so positive and i also don't have to think of anything to say cos he does all the work.

    When talking to normals I have to really tone it down and be boring however then they start saying "yurt owl whats wrong you look down" and will not shut up about it.

    AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH LET ME TALK ABOUT RANDOM SHIT AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH.

    The topics you talk about sound exactly like what I like talking about. Computing knowledge is like 90% of my brain and I'm not even good at it lol.

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      I'm glad you found a group, that sounds pretty cool :3

      The topics you talk about sound exactly like what I like talking about. Computing knowledge is like 90% of my brain and I'm not even good at it lol.

      Oooh I see, if it helps I'm not that good at it either but I try my best lol. You have any projects you're working on or anything specifically you're interested in?

      • Yurt_Owl
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        7 months ago

        The goal is to work on some kind of Foss home automation iot stuff to combat the absolute flood of crappy insecure proprietary iot shit on the market. But the topic is quite limited on resources online and I need to get good at making hardware which is a challenge.

        Previous project was a fair bit similar which was home server, nas backups, nextcloud and routing traffic via pihole and unbound. Plus some Foss services to help me out with day to day things.

        I also wanted to have a go at programming for retro hardware or making homebrew for the gamegear but all this things take a lot of time and my job is good at making me feel dead most of the time.

        • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
          hexagon
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          7 months ago

          That's cool! I love programming for old hardware lol. I'm porting Plan 9 to an SGI Indigo 2 rn! Homebrew for the game gear would go so hard too. Just looking online quickly it looks like it has a Z80 in it, which was/is very popular and has lots of good resources around for programmers so hopefully it won't be too hard to get started.

          I know the feeling about the job. I have to work tomorrow xwx

          • Yurt_Owl
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            7 months ago

            So far I've seen homebrew made using the sega master system mode supported by the gamegear with some minimal tooling. Might start with that to understand how its put together and get something rendering or sounds playing.

            Silicon graphics were the powerhouse PCs at one point weren't they? Used for like 3D rendering and such.

            Do you follow LGR on YouTube? I like his videos for covering all random bits of retro hardware.

            I have two old macs, one a working Mac SE with black and white screen that's pretty cool. Only problem is the floppy drive is long dead so getting any software onto it is very hard. There was some scsi to sd card thing that acts as a replacement for the HDD but I'd still need a floppy to install the OS on.

            • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
              hexagon
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              7 months ago

              Hi there, sorry about the late response, I really had to get some sleep.

              So far I've seen homebrew made using the sega master system mode supported by the gamegear with some minimal tooling. Might start with that to understand how its put together and get something rendering or sounds playing.

              That's a good idea! I bet there's an emulator out there you can play with too.

              Silicon graphics were the powerhouse PCs at one point weren't they? Used for like 3D rendering and such.

              Yess, they made some of the best Unix workstations of the 90s that were often used for 3d work but also really any high-performance computing work. I've wanted an SGI machine for a long time but it wasn't until recently that I got one for a price I can afford.

              Do you follow LGR on YouTube? I like his videos for covering all random bits of retro hardware.

              Yeah, I've seen some of his videos! They're fun but I don't watch him too often since he covers mostly old PC or gaming stuff. Also it makes me want the hardware he shows off too much lol.

              I have two old macs, one a working Mac SE with black and white screen that's pretty cool. Only problem is the floppy drive is long dead so getting any software onto it is very hard. There was some scsi to sd card thing that acts as a replacement for the HDD but I'd still need a floppy to install the OS on.

              That's awesome lol. The pre-Intel Apple hardware is so iconic. Sorry to hear about your floppy drive though. Any chance of fixing it or is the damage too much?

              • Yurt_Owl
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                7 months ago

                The macs weren't kept in good condition. Left in an attic and riddled with mould. Managed to clean a lot of it out but for some reason the floppy got it the worst. I may be able to be up an external floppy drive though but the risk with buying such old hardware is its sometimes DOA cos the seller doesn't have the means to test it anymore. It was hard enough to find working original ps2 controllers an external floppy will be a challenge.

                Then i got to locate the damn software! I could write my own floppies but I don't have the fuzziest where to start. Those old macs need like very specific single track floppies or smthn.

                I have very much enjoyed chatting with you. A me or me equivalent would definitely get along with you IRL. Feel free to DM me if you ever wanna talk about tech.

                • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
                  hexagon
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                  7 months ago

                  The macs weren't kept in good condition. Left in an attic and riddled with mould. Managed to clean a lot of it out but for some reason the floppy got it the worst.

                  Ohh I'm sorry to hear they were kept in such poor condition. A lot of really cool hardware has suffered the same fate. I look at eBay or other similar places a lot for fun (rarely have the money to buy anything sadly) and the state of some of the listings there is just sad. Like rare hardware just covered in rust and dust cuz someone just stored it in a barn or something.

                  I may be able to be up an external floppy drive though but the risk with buying such old hardware is its sometimes DOA cos the seller doesn't have the means to test it anymore. It was hard enough to find working original ps2 controllers an external floppy will be a challenge.

                  Yeahh, I've just made peace with the fact that I may have to spend a lot of time fixing whatever I buy at this point. But that can be fun too :3

                  Maybe instead of trying to find new floppy drives and stuff you could try transferring data over any serial ports on the machine or something. But I don't know too much about 68k Macs (but I do have a few PowerPC macs hehe).

                  I have very much enjoyed chatting with you. A me or me equivalent would definitely get along with you IRL. Feel free to DM me if you ever wanna talk about tech.

                  I've enjoyed chatting with you too! If you want maybe we could exchange instant messenger contacts in DMs or something.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I learned to not show my emotions to anyone because they were all too intense, and I internalized the notion that me, specifically, having emotions was always wrong

    Still trying to unlearn this shit

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      I'm sorry that happened <3

      I know this stuff is often overwhelming to people but I guess we just have to find a balance between dumping it on everyone we know and completely suppressing our passions

      It's fucking hard

    • CarbonScored [any]
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      7 months ago

      I've learned this same lesson and having been trying to get over it for over a decade. I feel you comrade meow-hug

      I think I still sometimes come across as a very bland and dispassionate person to people, but it is getting better.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    7 months ago

    Tell me more about the connections between communism and computer architecture! Either what stands out to you, or whatever details are currently piquing your interest.

    I think I could listen to someone talk about these things for at least half an hour.

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      My energy is running out today but I'd love to :3 I should mention I'm pretty new to the field of computer architecture specifically and I don't really have the money to pursue it academically. But I've been working ("working" not in the sense of wage-labor, I've mainly lost hope in actually being employed in working with these systems.) with operating systems and computers in general for most of my life.

      The situation in the computer industry as a whole (at least in the west) can be summed up as stagnation and monopoly. There are some new approaches and technology being deployed, of course (not counting the obvious grifts which there are a lot of), but only those technologies not threatening to the AMD/Intel/Microsoft/TSMC/etc complex and the system of individualized computing in the service of capital as a whole. As it is rn, the direction of actually existing computer architecture is dominated by a few monopolies more interested in turning out a profit by keeping people dependent on their technology, which only they can maintain due to patents and highly complex design and infrastructure, than actually building reliable, secure, and frugal machines that respect the privacy and creative energy of the masses. We have been brushing up against the limits of the conventional amd64/arm64, von Neumann, binary, register machine, instruction-set-having, etc architectures which can be seen in the diminishing performance returns in spite of rapidly sprawling complexity of designs and shrinking of feature sizes (think of transistor sizes) to physical limits and the deluge of errata, bugs, and especially security problems (Spectre, Meltdown, Rowhammer, etc) which threaten to make meaningless all the security guarantees people have taken for granted for years now (memory protection, isolation of tasks from other tasks, isolation of users from other users, really anything tbh). There is still some interesting research being done in the universities (some, the free money has been drying up for years) and in R&D departments (which often get their budgets slashed to fill the pockets of executives, of course) but most of it never sees wide deployment or implementation. Until this field is unshackled from profit, capital, and the market, the mainstream will probably continue as is with minor changes (goes without saying: minor changes, sold by the monopolies!), regardless of the technical merit of the alternatives. This is why the direction of computer architecture is inextricably interrelated with the development of political economy in the society it exists within.

      But communism needs computer architecture too. The socialist states of the future have the great task of coordinating economic activity and human creativity on a scale never seen before. Luckily, we have access to techniques the USSR or the PRC never had. The calculation part of the "economic calculation problem" proposed by von Mises was capable of being solved in the 60s and 70s. The real problem is developing a system that can integrate all of the information from something as large, complex, and made up of so many disparate parts as a world economy and coordinate the activities of billions of people in carrying out a plan. It's honestly impossible for me to imagine fully and I think it will involve more changes than even the dreamiest of Soviet cyberneticists, who spent decades imagining such a system, could think of. I hope we live to see it. We already have the Internet and wide deployment of computers throughout industry so we have a base to work with but I don't think it will be enough. The internet is a highly "top-heavy" and centralized system that was added as an afterthought to our fundamentally isolated and individualized (like literally the "Personal Computer") computer systems. Any coordination between nodes on the internet (if they can even reach each other because of things like NAT or ISP firewalling) running conventional operating systems and architectures is an exception to the rule that tasks usually stay on the system they started on (think process migration or sharing of resources, even if you can do that its usually programmed specifically for the task). I think we will need to develop more social computer systems that naturally integrate better with other systems if we want to build socialism and carry out something as ambitious as a collective computerized economic plan.

      Sorry if I'm being a bit vague, because there are many approaches and strategies we can try to do something like this. Talking more concretely, there are some systems that I think are ahead of their time. Most people (at least computer-people :3) are familar with Unix or Linux but they usually aren't familar with what the people who developed Unix did after. There was a time at a place called Bell Labs (as in AT&T) where researchers were allowed a lot of freedom to experiment with things using the vast amounts of money that came from a telecommunications monopoly. This is where Unix was originally developed. After the development and success of Unix, the developers of Unix forced themselves to start over and develop a system that allowed computers to integrate more naturally with each other over networks. They developed a kind of "universal protocol" that allowed computers running their operating system to share resources and use other computers' resources locally, as if they weren't remote at all. A Plan 9 system doesn't care if your keyboard, screen, mouse, hard drive, filesystem, printer, etc is attached to another computer or not. All resources on the system are represented as files. No special handling (ioctls) or protocols are needed to access any system resource! Through careful design and clever use of these abstractions Plan 9 is able to accomplish what far more complex systems can with a tiny fraction of the code size and development team. Tools were included in the system to make it easy to talk to and coordinate with other members of the team on development. Plan 9 is another very unique, innovative, and (at least in my opinion hehe) technically superior system that never saw wider use. This is an example of the kind of technology I think will be necessary to carry out the task of building socialism in the 21st century.

      More or less, computer architecture needs a revolution in the same way that political economy does. I hope any of that made sense lol. Thank you for reading. Oh, let me know if any of it was unclear or if you want me to elaborate. I'm not so good at writing lol.

      • Hexagons [e/em/eir]
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        7 months ago

        I'm not the person you responded to, but holy shit this was interesting! I'd never heard of Plan 9, but now I think it's time for me to learn more about it, because it sounds super extremely neat!

        Thanks!

        • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
          hexagon
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          I'm glad you liked it!

          I'd recommend that you should try out the modern fork of Plan 9 if you're planning on trying it, 9front, since the original devs have split up and moved on unfortunately. You can also read about the Plan 9 system here: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/. In particular, I highly recommend this paper for an overview of the system: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/9

          It's okay if you find it difficult to use or off-putting at first. They intentionally tried to do things differently than Unix or other contemporary operating systems. But once you get into it and even start making things that work with it you might find it refreshing like I did :3

          If you get lost there's a Matrix and Discord server full of people from the 9front community you can ask for help (including me!). Also a Plan 9 "gridchat" server too which runs over the protocol I was talking about lol. There may also be IRC but I'm not sure. The Matrix is: #9fans:pintobyte.com

          And here's a Discord invite if you prefer: https://discord.gg/bdzkVxvPZQ

          The Discord and Matrix (and maybe IRC) are bridged into one chat.

      • ByteFoolish [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Very interesting! How does an OS with that level of integration with networked computers handle security? Or does it assume every computer on the network is altruistic?

        Also I'd love to get your thoughts on the chip and semiconductor capabilities that China was forced to develop because of the sanctions. I don't know much about it but the Loongson processors look cool. Maybe something like it or an open RISC-V based design will start to upend the Intel/AMD duopoly

        • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
          hexagon
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          7 months ago

          Very interesting! How does an OS with that level of integration with networked computers handle security? Or does it assume every computer on the network is altruistic?

          This is my Plan 9 knowledge weak spot lol. As I understand it, this is how it works: in the case of Plan 9 systems, there is a central authentication server for each "security domain" which holds details on users and their capabilities. When you log into any system (local or remote) or otherwise use any system's resources, that system will check with that "auth" server to make sure you have the correct credentials and capabilities. There is a somewhat old paper here if you want to read more: http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/auth

          Ideally, we would build some kind of distributed cryptographic store or something rather than a centralized authentication server which is sounding like a really interesting project lol

          Also I'd love to get your thoughts on the chip and semiconductor capabilities that China was forced to develop because of the sanctions. I don't know much about it but the Loongson processors look cool. Maybe something like it or an open RISC-V based design will start to upend the Intel/AMD duopoly

          I hope so! As far as I know, most of the work in China being done isn't that big of a deviation from the western orthodoxy (kind of similar to the situation in the late USSR but much further along and with more home-grown designs, of course) but I'm glad to see some new players on the field. Sadly, most of that work will probably be unavailable to us in the west, at least until the current political situation is over. Although, personally, I would love to get my hands on some of the Russian-origin "Elbrus" and SPARC designs.

  • TheDialectic [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    Welcome to neurodivergence. This describes all of us or we wouldn't be on a wild comunist forum

  • teeforlove [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    its so over when I find someone who cares about love and communism as much I do, its not just gonna make me happier long term but hopefully having just one more person irl will make me feel more productive and motivated to finally start w praxis, study together, etc. bonus point if they also want to be a cuddle buddy.

    • blipblip [he/him, they/them]
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      7 months ago

      Wait is there a nix club, I barely have any idea what I'm doing but NixOS is so coooool. A distro that's able to save me from myself when I inevitably mess with something I don't understand has already been a huge time saver. Except it's just giving me license to fuck with things more lmao

        • blipblip [he/him, they/them]
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          6 months ago

          In that week I've fucked around and had to rollback to a previous generation 4? 5? times. I'm a convert, this shit feels like the future.

  • Magician [he/him, they/them]
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    7 months ago

    I feel like caring about things alienates me from people in my life. I have tried to pare back that intensity while still being authentic to my views, but it's like picking my battles and ending up not fighting for what I believe in. I hope that if I stop trying to get along with people who don't care about the same things as me that I'll find others like me who don't see my real concerns as intensity or negativity.

    It sucks trying to talk about things that are happening only to watch the air leave the room. Like I'm not trying to make people sad. I'm trying to get people to care about things that are happening that could be prevented if we talk about the dynamics of oppression and how apathy is a political choice.

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      I guess it gets annoying to people sometimes :(

      It's hard to find a balance cuz once I get going on talking about this stuff to someone I don't wanna stop

      Also so much of my life is based around these things

  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    You're on a niche communist board, the main disparity you will see in replies is between people who are better at keeping a lid on it and those who are not. I am in the latter category.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      7 months ago

      I'm in the latter category too. I don't hide it unless it's a situation where physical violence might occur to me, or having my stuff stolen or broken. I tell anyone who asks and I talk about it as if it's a normal thing. I don't openly talk about which capitalists I want to die since I know that's gonna weird people out. I'm just open about how I'd want a Marxist party in power to redistribute money and property. I'm open about my admiration for Cuba and China too. I only bring this stuff up in appropriate circumstances too, like if there's a political conversation going. I have a trans flag on my bike, and a Black Panthers pin on my bag if that counts. Anyone who sees my bag would identify me as a leftist.

      Most of the time people just treat me like I'm joking, some of the time they'll get curious and ask further questions. That's always nice. I've only had people get upset with me twice. Once was the son of a dead Korean war veteran (his dad can rest in piss for all I care). Other time was a weird ass coworker who would openly say slurs, so nothing lost there.

    • roux [he/him, comrade/them]
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      7 months ago

      I'm largely in the latter and look back at a lot of interactions and think maybe I need to shut the fuck up sometimes.

      Last major interaction I had regarding leftist politics was with a former co-worker that was a country bumpkin Trump type. We started having a conversation about trans folk and he was adamant that men are dressing as woman to sneak into public restrooms to ogle girls. After a long back and forth I realized at one point that I was screaming at him about how I guarantee he's walked past a trans person irl and didn't even realize it and that they just want to just be left alone.

  • AlkaliMarxist
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    7 months ago

    Yeah, absolutely. I learned to be very guarded with my excitement (and intense emotions in general) but it still slips out sometimes and I feel pretty bad when it does. I think it makes it very hard to live well, but I don't really know what to do about that. Loneliness pervades.

  • ashinadash [she/her, comrade/them]
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    7 months ago

    People who are unwilling to at least tolerate my passionate rambling about how Social Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism, or how ACAB, aren't worth keeping around :) I have actually started opening up with "softer", more palatable leftist talking points pretty early with people. I might be pretty persuasive because I have convinced people of some stuff!!

    Aside from the politics though nobody who's anybody should really be put off by your caring deeply about Unix/Plan 9/computer architecture.

  • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I think the same happens to me. I try not to get upset, but instead it builds resentment and then self-hatred.

    I do my best to be as interested in whatever it is that those who are immediately with me are excited about or themselves find interesting.

  • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    Probably but fuck those people

    We’re all well on our individual ways to becoming fertilizer, those who can’t be bothered to care about humanity are sacks of shit who are not worth wasting my precious seconds on

    • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      I understand. These days I usually won't compromise on my principles and knowledge to please someone (at least when I'm feeling okay).

      People are the bearers of knowledge. And when two people with similar principles and knowledge join together and try to create something the results can be incredible. I've just had a taste of this a few times in my life but nothing long-term. I hope that makes sense (I am kinda drunk rn)