https://gameworldobserver.com/2021/08/04/xsolla-fires-150-employees-using-big-data-and-ai-analysis-ceos-letter-causes-controversy

https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1423626425735819265

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      People look at me like I'm insane when I try to point out that the Chinese social credit system has a publicly available list of things you can do to make it go up.

      They also refuse to see the similarities between what they imagine the Chinese social credit system to be and what America actually is.

          • richietozier4 [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            https://web.archive.org/web/20210104180315/https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/

      • starvedhystericnudes [she/her]
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        3 years ago

        It's horrible and dystopian and awful, and already exists in the fucking American empire. There are no good guys, all states are bastards.

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          ? Have you even read anything about the actual implementation in China?

          It's entirely based on municipal decisions, as in it's a democratic system. It's also used as a replacement for things that would have incurred fines or jail time before.

          Now instead of getting arrested or fined, you get a hit on your score and can make it up by doing community service, or just let it sit and not have the bonuses you get for a higher score like cheaper HSR tickets.

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              It's not even a panopticon. Most implementations of the system are identical to whatever existed before, but now instead of getting arrested or ticketed, you get your score hit and have to do community work to get it back up.

              The whole assertion that it was all integrated AI shit with CCTVs and stuff is based off a single proposal by Ali-Baba that was shot down like immediately.

                • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  Lmao I saw that thread, they were just suggesting that NK isn't as bad as Western media is suggesting. You're the one who kept asserting that line.

                  Anyways reddit exists if you're into the whole I hate Asian government thing

                  • starvedhystericnudes [she/her]
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                    3 years ago

                    It's a monarchy. I'm not saying it has no virtue. They were denying it's a fucking hereditary monarchy.

                    • emizeko [they/them]
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                      3 years ago

                      take care not to fall for the tired anticommunist trope of pretending that the head of state has absolute power

                        • emizeko [they/them]
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                          3 years ago

                          it's neither but thanks for repeating the standard US media line, very insightful

                            • emizeko [they/them]
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                              3 years ago

                              https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54

                              when's the last time western mass media mentioned any of this shit?

                              • starvedhystericnudes [she/her]
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                                3 years ago

                                Hitler was bad, Hitler and Stalin fought, therefore stalin was a good cool guy (okay he was cool as fuck)

                                Skimmed this, it's basically the same shit the Americans did to the vietnamese 15 years later? Evil empire is evil; I'm not shocked. What's it have to do with north Korea being good/bad?

                                  • starvedhystericnudes [she/her]
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                                    3 years ago

                                    Dude it's like 800 pages. Nothing in there could shock me; I know the shit Americans did to autistic kids and their Tuskegee syphilis experiments, it's not going to make me think Americans are more evil than they are.

                                    But none of this makes north Korea less evil, in the same way the Holocaust is not a defense of Zionist terrorists occupying Palestine.

                    • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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                      3 years ago

                      I mean it's not a monarchy, like it's literally just not one, but the positions been hereditary for sure.

                      I'm not sure if it's officially hereditary though, the people of North Korea genuinely do like them lol.

                      Call that from the propaganda, or just respect for the family that kept them safe from imperials idk. But it's not actually a monarchy.

  • danisth [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Y.T.'s mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this memo...

    Y.T.'s mom decides to spend between fourteen and fifteen minutes reading the memo. It's better for younger workers to spend too long, to show that they're careful, not cocky. It's better for older workers to go a little fast, to show good management potential. She's pushing forty. She scans through the memo, hitting the Page Down button at reasonably regular intervals, occasionally paging back up to pretend to reread some earlier section. The computer is going to notice all this. It approves of rereading. It's a small thing, but over a decade or so this stuff really shows up on your work-habits summary.

    -Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson.

  • Woly [any]
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    3 years ago

    I can't fucking believe we are actually moving towards some Brazil shit where an AI determines whether or not you're an effective employee so you spend all day doing what the AI wants and not getting work done.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Just opening Google chat and typing "Business business, stock number up" 1000x and consistently getting employee of the month.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          3 years ago

          Buying a program that pretends to work from the same company that writes the programs to monitor work progress.

          :ancap-good:

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I'd like to think they've lost money paying a big data team to fire people that you aren't even sure are "unproductive."

    • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      The wildest part is the apps didn't even track how much time someone spent at github or IDE which is just utterly ridiculous. Or accounting for people doing literally any task that those programs didn't track... just absurd all around

      • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah that's a good point, they listed a bunch of tools that definitely don't have integrated employee tracking. I think number of site queries our whatever would be a poor proxy for attention and productivity.

      • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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        3 years ago

        I'm probably the poster child for "unengaged and unproductive employee" at times (I have a real problem with procrastination lol) but even when I'm working I spend an awful lot of time just thinking and maybe switching back and forth between different files to trace code logic. For a software company to fire people based on a lack of detected computer activity in bullshit bureaucracy apps is truly astonishing.

      • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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        3 years ago

        So they literally trained the AI to think like fucking cartoon Toontown salaryman stereotype that only goes "business business business"? Big lmao, I wonder how many experienced employees got fired over this.

        • want_tobegood [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          it's the literal equivalent of filtering candidates based on their race/last name

          which happens literally everywhere already, so

  • XKEYSCORE [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Marx said that alienation under capitalism leads to view each other as isolated individuals rather than social beings, and this is just a continuation of that. Viewing people as a singular row in a database rather than even just an isolated individual is the logical conclusion of "big data".

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      "The algorithm returned a row of <Null> on all your performance metrics, and the algorithm is never wrong, so we have no choice but to fire you"

      • OgdenTO [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Your average score of <null> is below our continuation threshold of <undefined> therefore your contract will be terminated.

    • jabrd [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm a data guy and my current task is to develop individual level tracking metrics for each employee. mfw

      • want_tobegood [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        do it right, but bake in the wrong stuff on purpose

        make it target the highest status guys who are still subject to it. Or at least the employees who are total "teacher's pets" for management.

    • want_tobegood [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I feel like you have to be white to get that gig. Management filters POCs by their race unless they're stellar.

      I imagine white underachievers to be like a virus for a company, silently rotting it from within--or at the very least chaining it to mediocrity--simply by parttaking in their usual behaviors, all the while protected by the social halo of whiteness.

  • Jadzia_Dax [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    when analyzing employee performance, time spent in Git \ IDE was not taken into account

    This company is so fucked.

    source: https://gameworldobserver.com/2021/08/05/xsolla-cites-growth-rate-slowdown-as-reason-for-layoffs-ceos-tweet-causes-further-controversy

    • Sushi_Desires
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      3 years ago

      lmao firing all their technical people to keep on everyone who sends a lot of emails/hangs out in chats/comments on documents

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        In fairness, good developers aren't cheap. I bet they're saving a ton of money now that all those techies are gone.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    3 years ago

    This company is still unironically somehow treating their employees better than any US employer. 4-6 months pay as severance, assistance transitioning to a new role with higher pay, continued health care benefits...

    This guy deserves the wall. And the fact that he's still better than any US employer speaks volumes.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      3 years ago

      This guy deserves the wall.

      With that kind of release package, this guy deserves gulag.

      The company that sold him this product to administer lay-offs, tho...

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    So if I'm slacking they'll find me another job with better pay and less work than I did when I was slacking? I'd be an idiot not to slack then.

    (And yes, I know that this promise is most probably just bullshit and that lots of people will be hurting because some AI quackery picked them out, but still)