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• 1. Pointless gesturing, Colorado would never have gone for Trump anyway
• 2. If he engaged in insurrection, charge him. Do it. Charge him for treason in the state of Colorado. Otherwise shut up.
only the federal DOJ, the president, or congress can charge someone w treason. this might be the most Colorado can do, as milquetoast as it is
edit: on further investigation, some states do have laws against treason and people have been tried for treason by individual states’ courts
It's not pointless, it's a test case.
Why would Colorado be able to charge him w treason?
States can charge individuals with it, I'd assume mostly stemming from Civil War related nonsense (like someone else pointed out, John Brown was charged with treason by Virginia, not the US at large)
Colorado's statute on Treason
A person commits treason if he levies war against the state of Colorado or adheres to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless upon the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act or upon confession in open court. Treason is a class 1 felony.
I'd think a fairly easy argument to make would be inciting revolt against US Congress fits the bill of 'adheres to enemies, giving aid and comfort', but we all know libs are scared to go the whole way against their fashy friends
The accelerationist in me desperately wants to see Trump hanged in Colorado for treason.
Conservative control of the Supreme Court aside, it’s never been firmly established if the President constitutes an officer of the United States per the 14th amendment. So there’s a lot of room for interpretation, and some decent legal arguments, that it doesn’t.
This isn't even an exaggeration. There's a real theory real legal academics support that's basically "a sufficiently talented judge can come to whatever conclusion they want and put a defensible gloss on it." There are similar theories of legal interpretation that posit even the most plain of plain language in a statute or constitution can be plausibly re-written by a motivated court.
Hell, its based when this method is used for progress.
Funny enough, its conservatives who pretend theyre sticking to the Constitution as written (or that "what the foundinf fathers intended" bullshit). But ive seen progressive advocates openly just say "no just interpret however you need to to do the right thing."
I'd like to see ol DT wriggle his way out of THIS jam!
Ah! Well. Nevertheless,
while(trumpInJam)
{
print("I'd like to see ol DT wriggle his way out of THIS jam!");
}
while(trumpWriggledOutOfJam == 1)
{
print("Ah! Well. Nevertheless,"
}
Death to America
ok now do it in a state that might have actually voted for him
Georgia would be the state most likely to do so. If Trump gets convicted of a state crime, that might kill his nomination.
Libs are deadass hoping Trump pulls a voldemort and defeats himself by breaking a rule rather than dems actually defeating Trump fair and square.
...And then DeSantis wins in a landslide after Trump endorses him and #AvengeTrump goes viral.
rather than dems actually defeating Trump fair and square
since when do we give a shit about fair play in bourgeois elections?
No, it is more hoping that the rule of law catches up to Trump before the election.
But if you want DeSantis to win, I'm probably not going to be able to convince you otherwise.
"rule of law" Imagine believing in such nonsense. Consider deepthroating a cactus, please and thank you.
I'm going to need you to vote for Trump '24 to help with that.
no one here is voting for trump and no one here wants desantis to win. you're annoying and delusional
But it would be funny. Make the libs see that their beliefs are a lie. Just fucking rub it in their faces.
I mean yeah, shitty right wingers,( yes liberals are right wing) deserve to have their delusions shattered because thats how many of us grew out of that phase.
Nah they all deserve guillotines but you wont let that happen so 🤷
I'm voting green or socialist, depending on who's on the ballot.
Rule of law? Dude is walking around giving rallies. It took you dumbasses 2, 3 years? to actually get him sitting in a courtroom. The rule of law would’ve put him in front of a firing squad 48 hours after January 6, but we live in la la land where the instigator of a failed coup led by boat dealers get to play golf while we pay for his security.
Your rule of law is a joke. Your party only wields power when it comes to undermining poor people. Otherwise the democrats would’ve banned the GOP and arrested every single one of their politicians. If you call them as undemocratic terrorists, then where is the rule of law when they get to stand next to you in the halls of power?
Being pedantic over words you clearly understand because you can’t defend your dogshit positions. Unfortunately you can’t take the Reddit out of the ex-Redditor
Hard to say because there's so many...
Failing to protect women
Failing to protect trans people
Building the wall
Kids are still in Cages
Aiding a genocide in Gaza
Stopping the rail strike
thinks American elections matter and affect policy
refuses to take responsibility for the existing rule of law
Given the sclerotic and partisan nature of the US "rule of law" isn't it irresponsible of them to hope that the courts solve the problem for them instead of trying to run a convincing campaign for their side?
That assumes the legal option is the only one being pursued.
There are tons of posts here calling out the political arguments that inflation is falling and the economy isn't in a recession as political propaganda that may be technically accurate but hide the suffering of common Americans and should therefore be treated as nothing but propaganda to be forgotten.
I'm not sure how that deals with the problem? Joe is deeply unpopular, people don't like him and whether you think it's fair or not people are not enjoying the way things are going right now. Doubling down on "voters feel wrong about how things are going and should vote for this unpopular old man" is not actually pursuing an electoral strategy.
You suggested they were hoping the law would solve this problem, which is more coherent than suggesting that they're trying to campaign by calling everybody who dislikes their candidate (almost 2/3 of voters, last count) wrong over and over.
I suggested it was an option, but not the only one. Others believed that I was suggesting it was the only option.
Well I sure hope democracy isn't on the line. It would be pretty irresponsible to run your campaign this poorly if that was the case.
Unless you and a few thousand friends are ready to pick up a gun yesterday, yeah. There's nothing you can do to affect whether or not Trump "happens." I know it sucks to feel powerless but you are powerless. That's the point of the way this country was built.
And do you have a thousand friends who will pick up a gun to defend what you believe in?
You brought up the threat of violence as a way to protect a political belief since, without the rule of a law, might makes right.
Therefore, if you want to protect your political beliefs, it would seem prudent for you to back up your political beliefs with the threat of violence.
If you are going to ask for an army to defend a political position, I would expect that you should be able to field an army to defend your political position. After all, might makes right, right?
At no point did I say that might makes right. The US empire is extremely mighty, and also deeply evil and corrupt to the very core. What I said is that if you want to actually affect whether or not Trump becomes president, you will need to harness great might to do that. Whether you used that might for evil, such as to install a fascist dictator, or for good, such as to install a communist party, you would need that sort of might.
Voting does not accomplish any goal.
"rule of law"
Oh you mean imaginary things like the tooth fairy?
Something can be funny without it being good or desired, like in a cosmically funny way.
It would absolutely be funny watching libs spin and steam and blame again instead of ever asking if there's a good reason why people hate Democrats. That doesn't mean it's good, but it's definitely funny to watch y'all twist yourselves in knots trying desperately to ignore reality
No, it will be funny so it is good. It doesn't matter if one side is better than another if both sides are bad. So let the bad happen and hope the next election will bring a communist.
No one here thinks your silly elections will bring anything but suffering. Go ahead and vote for Joe, but don’t come crying if he wins 50 million more votes than the GOP candidate and still loses because of the electoral college.
You clearly came here with an expectation about what we think, and what we actually think or say isn't about to dissuade you from that expectation.
I think I don't really understand your perspective here. Are you trying to tell me that because you can't find bad things funny that we can't either, so despite what we clearly say you're telling us actually we think it would be good if Desantis or Trump (or Biden) were president of the United States?
I think we got off on the wrong foot here. I'm not some kind of GOP cheerleader, I'm mostly making a joke about how infuriatingly lucky the GOP is, and part of it is that democrats are controlled opposition.
It's taken 80 years but you're planning on it getting him in the next 11 months?
Ok hear me out, somehow this survives all appeals and sticks. 3rd parties focus all their efforts on Colorado. Dems don't show up to the polls because there's no way Biden could lose, meanwhile 3rd party voters and bitter GOP supporters show up and flip the state yellow. Trump wins by one state.
yellow
libertarian? are they even running people with all their voters being Trump-hogs now?
I mean it was a Bernie state in both 2016 and 2020. There's no way in hell a republican would win anything more than our most inbred counties and they're dwarfed in population by the all-but-one democratic cities.
Yep. I'm not sure about the western side of the state, but Pueblo/Denver/Fort Collins are all democratic strongholds. Colorado Springs is full of evangelicals and military.
I drove through Western Colorado last fall to see what it was like on the way to visit some relatives in the Fort Collins area and it was all “Boebert Country” signs.
I don’t think this is a good move. It will only trigger the persecution complex of the conservatives, even those who don’t like Trump, and they will come out in droves just to stick it to the Democrats to make a point.
Why do anything like this when Biden already has the upper hand (disregard the polling, which is way too early to be informative at this point).
Rainbows and Disney cartoons trigger their persecution complex. Chuds are never not miserable and dangerous.
Still not a good idea to let Trump become the martyr that unifies the conservatives. I’m talking not just the crazy MAGA people, but the moderate conservatives that may have been repulsed by Trump, and are starting to see that Biden is actually more capable of realizing their vision.
Now they are just going to see the Democrats as “openly out to persecute conservatives”, and if they don’t defend Trump, whom they don’t like, they could be next.
I've got a feeling that Trump will skirt any form of justice and die peacefully one day. It seems like more people are coming around to the idea that Trump will remain a free man and maybe president because the government really doesn't want to stop him. Let SCOTUS write some more crazy bullshit further delegitimizing their standing. The more jarring the spectacle of the US government becomes the more likely people could lose faith in it's institutions.
come out in droves just to stick it to the Democrats to make a point
how they gonna do that if the big wet boy ain't on the ballot?90% forecast of a terrorism about it if they don't retreat on appeal tho
This is assuming that Democrats can get enough states to ban Trump from running to prevent him from winning. Otherwise it’s just going to rile up the conservatives across the country and put the swing states in danger.
well it's too soon to tell, in actuality. but dems doing a legalistic cockblock isn't inherently a wrong move unless they fail to do it sufficiently to secure a victory, is it? i'm not going to do the math rn but if enough electoral votes are on the table that they could secure as such, i'd be willing to declare this an astute political move.
greatest liability being the US supreme court overruling them i imagine
if this is legal in one state it's legal in every state. the argument is based on constitutional law. not sure if (assuming the ruling survives the openly corrupt SCotUS) this would automatically disqualify him everywhere or if there would have to be separate legal proceedings in each state that wants to disqualify him, but those proceedings are already happening in several states and upholding this ruling would essentially mean Trump has to try to win without several swing states. PA and WI have dem majorities on their state supreme courts and there's already a 14th amendment challenge over trump's candidacy in PA.
I hear about Colorado over and over for horrible shit. It seems like the place where people retaliate. Step away from the lathe
Colorado has judicial elections doesn't it? Easy political win for lib judges to stoke their base by saying that they protected democracy by ruling against Drumpf.
The 4-3 ruling , which rests on an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, will almost certainly force the issue to the U.S. Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump, the leading candidate for the Republican nomination, is eligible to hold future public office.
When this gets to the SCOTUS they will rule the opposite.
I dont know what this Cheeto of a man likes more: Whataboutism, or freaking Whataburger. One thing is for sure, he doesn't have America's best interests at heart. That spells trouble for Democracy.
I've missed you buddy. You've been too effective and has scared away the lib-word, so now you're never around. Such is life
Time for the US to invade itself to protect freedom and democracy (TM)
Colorado never would have went for Trump, so congratulations, all that does is make him a martyr even MORE.
trump committed treason by lying about the election results and telling people to go protest about it at the capitol? this is just a flimsy attempt to stop his victory next year
To be fair this kinda downplays everything that happened, don't get me wrong I don't care about liberal "democracy" or it's institutions or whatever, but there's a lot of other things that happened. In reality, you're right though, other presidents have gotten away with far more horrifying things and this is a sign of American decay
whataboutism 
