In most countries, these prices would be passed on to consumers, but Beijing tightly limits the maximum price of electricity—causing generators to reduce their supply or shut down rather than lose money.
Why aren't these energy generators nationalized? I thought this was a communist country??
Why? Even the biggest red hardliner inside the CPC wouldnt tell you that. They openly declare and accept that they are barely entering preliminary stages of socialism adapted to chinese conditions.
Maybe a little less attempts to dunk on them for not having fully nationalized and demarketized everything and not being in a state they wouldnt even dare to claim they are and a little more understanding and reading about what they actualy say and how they openly describe their economy and why its the way it is
I recognize the OP's username. They were the same person who derailed a thread a while back by going on a tear about China and Tankies (a term I use non-pejoratively). I also remember them also going into right-wing conspiracy shit about China lying about their Covid numbers in the process.
Based on that, I presume this thread was primarily made for the purpose of going "See!? See!? China Bad! China Bad! See how delusional you tankies are!?"
Yes, but compassionate bullying. Bully their ideas but not them (as long as they are open to learn). If they start posting like chuds, treat them like chuds.
Considering the way they've been acting and their fixation on this, I really don't have much hope.
EDIT: In addition, I can't imagine any of the China Bad users on this site even talking like this guy. Their posts just reads so.... I dunno, inorganic?
you do know it’s in the modlog for anyone to see, right? Literally the latest entry.
What is? What did I say that was "russiagate shit"? Are you talking about the existence of bot/troll farms? Because if you don't think they exist, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
you also think China have been lying the whole time about their COVID response
:soviet-bashful: This is a defining moment in my life, I'd like to thank the :LIB: wrecker, along with everyone else who got me to this point. :mao-wave:
Yes, why do they and why haven't you done any reading to inform yourself of this history despite a forum of communists telling you the same thing over and over?
This is an easy question to answer but you've already demonstrated bad faith bullshitting so I'm not going to be your teacher until you show some fucking humility.
Do you know how difficult it would take to set up and maintain a command economy for 1.4 Billion people that also has to deal with the stupidity and fickleness of a global capitalist hegemony?
China's GDP per capita is still only 2/3rds of what the Soviet Union achieved and it's already captured a massive number of global industries and labor-saving techniques used by global capital.
The late-Soviet command economy could not overcome global capitalism, there's no reason why the Chinese should adopt it long term. The current economic structure is rooted in the early Soviet NEP and theoretical proposals by Bukharin and will be followed until economic planning, production, distribution and exchange can be properly denominated in labor hours. Which is not an easy task. The hybrid system used by the Soviets of attempting to approximate labor-time with currency produced its own problems. Black markets and contradictions were the cancer that killed the Soviet Union and it's not worth repeating their mistakes. 70 years of drastically reduced exploitation, happy lives, and the liquidation of the bourgeoisie class is not preferable to a permanently sustainable economic model that can withstand seige and encirclement by global capitalism.
The late-Soviet command economy could not overcome global capitalism, there’s no reason why the Chinese should adopt it long term. The current economic structure is rooted in the early Soviet NEP and theoretical proposals by Bukharin and will be followed until economic planning, production, distribution and exchange can be properly denominated in labor hours. Which is not an easy task. The hybrid system used by the Soviets of attempting to approximate labor-time with currency produced its own problems. Black markets and contradictions were the cancer that killed the Soviet Union and it’s not worth repeating their mistakes. 70 years of drastically reduced exploitation, happy lives, and the liquidation of the bourgeoisie class is not preferable to a permanently sustainable economic model that can withstand seige and encirclement by global capitalism.
Do you have any leftist reading recommendations on Soviet planning (and its failures)?
This is a communist community so you might want to go read about what that is and why countries have been called communist before getting the idea that you aren't a dumbfuck on this topic at the moment.
I have read quite a lot, actually. That's how I know what I like and what I don't like, and how I have chosen an-com/communalism as my preferred philosophy.
Might be the play? If enough stink is raised maybe they will decide to take control back. Also it might be “nationalised” but not under federal control so subject to heavy provincial corruption.
Why aren't these energy generators nationalized? I thought this was a communist country??
Why? Even the biggest red hardliner inside the CPC wouldnt tell you that. They openly declare and accept that they are barely entering preliminary stages of socialism adapted to chinese conditions.
Maybe a little less attempts to dunk on them for not having fully nationalized and demarketized everything and not being in a state they wouldnt even dare to claim they are and a little more understanding and reading about what they actualy say and how they openly describe their economy and why its the way it is
I recognize the OP's username. They were the same person who derailed a thread a while back by going on a tear about China and Tankies (a term I use non-pejoratively). I also remember them also going into right-wing conspiracy shit about China lying about their Covid numbers in the process.
Based on that, I presume this thread was primarily made for the purpose of going "See!? See!? China Bad! China Bad! See how delusional you tankies are!?"
They've also been posting russiagate shit lmao, total bad faith poster with a terminal case of
:brainworms:
I mean, they just uncritically posted a foreignpolicy article.
They are a lib, which means that the lib-to-left pipeline is still open.
I hope so, is the policy education followed by bullying if they refuse to listen still?
Yes, but compassionate bullying. Bully their ideas but not them (as long as they are open to learn). If they start posting like chuds, treat them like chuds.
PPB on standby, marxists.org locked and loaded
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What's that mean? I'm not a marxist. I'm much more in line with Bakunin and Kropotkin.
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Considering the way they've been acting and their fixation on this, I really don't have much hope.
EDIT: In addition, I can't imagine any of the China Bad users on this site even talking like this guy. Their posts just reads so.... I dunno, inorganic?
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What do you mean "inorganic"? And "fixation"?
This just happens to be one of the subjects I care about. I also like classic cars and the Dodgers and graphic design. Nice to meet you too.
I am an anarcho-communist.
Interesting given that you don't know what communism is
My philosophy aligns more with Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Bookchin than it does Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao etc.
You're changing the subject, pissbaby.
You have yet to shed the arrogance of having and sharing opinions about things you've never read about.
I've not "been posting russiagate shit". Where do you get off saying that?
lmao, you do know it's in the modlog for anyone to see, right? Literally the latest entry.
Notably, you also think China have been lying the whole time about their COVID response.
What is? What did I say that was "russiagate shit"? Are you talking about the existence of bot/troll farms? Because if you don't think they exist, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
I never said "the whole time". But if you look at their numbers, that flatline is highly suspect and makes zero sense.
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This is starting to feel like a bit and everyone's being played.
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It's the 29th of September.
...yes? And?
It's the 29th of September, and Stalin saved the world from fascism. :bugs-stalin:
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:peltier-laugh: :lmayo:
Also:
:mao-shining: No investigation, no right to speak!
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Me? Personally? :blushing-engels:
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:soviet-bashful: This is a defining moment in my life, I'd like to thank the :LIB: wrecker, along with everyone else who got me to this point. :mao-wave:
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Nope you're not forgiven go and read things before having opinions is a low bar.
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HE'S POSTING AGAIN! :isaac-pog:
Imagine proudly defending such ignorance
It's OK, the website has an emoji for absolutely everything. In this case: :wall-talk:
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Yes, why do they and why haven't you done any reading to inform yourself of this history despite a forum of communists telling you the same thing over and over?
This is an easy question to answer but you've already demonstrated bad faith bullshitting so I'm not going to be your teacher until you show some fucking humility.
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You acknowledge your ignorance, yet you don't make any attempts to remedy that? And you expect to be taken seriously?
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You are presented with factual information and then throw a temper tantrum and cover your eyes.
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they appear to be state-owned companies that compete against each other in a market
https://energyiceberg.com/state-owned-power-utilities/
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Do you know how difficult it would take to set up and maintain a command economy for 1.4 Billion people that also has to deal with the stupidity and fickleness of a global capitalist hegemony?
China's GDP per capita is still only 2/3rds of what the Soviet Union achieved and it's already captured a massive number of global industries and labor-saving techniques used by global capital.
The late-Soviet command economy could not overcome global capitalism, there's no reason why the Chinese should adopt it long term. The current economic structure is rooted in the early Soviet NEP and theoretical proposals by Bukharin and will be followed until economic planning, production, distribution and exchange can be properly denominated in labor hours. Which is not an easy task. The hybrid system used by the Soviets of attempting to approximate labor-time with currency produced its own problems. Black markets and contradictions were the cancer that killed the Soviet Union and it's not worth repeating their mistakes. 70 years of drastically reduced exploitation, happy lives, and the liquidation of the bourgeoisie class is not preferable to a permanently sustainable economic model that can withstand seige and encirclement by global capitalism.
Do you have any leftist reading recommendations on Soviet planning (and its failures)?
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This is a communist community so you might want to go read about what that is and why countries have been called communist before getting the idea that you aren't a dumbfuck on this topic at the moment.
I am a communist. I am an anarcho-communist/communalist. I am anti-authoritarian.
lol you need to go do reading this isn't like picking out a car color.
:wojak-nooo: noooooooo anarcho-communism and communalism are the same thing (actually something he said)
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Pack it up folks, Marxism is cancelled.
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:michael-laugh:
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It is easy to understand, you simply haven't tried - but you still want to have an opinion about it so you pretend that you don't need to.
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You :cope: by lying your ass off. You're not unique in this. Overcome your insecurity and you'll be able to engage in good faith.
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Sure thing :fedposting:
Maybe get that one straight and pick one before bragging about it lol.
"Authoritarian" is a meaningless buzzword. On behalf of everyone here I am begging you to read before posting.
I have read quite a lot, actually. That's how I know what I like and what I don't like, and how I have chosen an-com/communalism as my preferred philosophy.
:both-sides:
I'll take either. They're essentially the same.
Might be the play? If enough stink is raised maybe they will decide to take control back. Also it might be “nationalised” but not under federal control so subject to heavy provincial corruption.