Let the people there call it whatever they want. But Palestinians and Israelis need to learn to live together. You can't split a country in twain like Israel has to Palestine; as a scattered Palestinian homeland blockaded by sea and land will just continue endless apartheid.
An aside: China's overseas naval base in Djibouti extends the Chinese navy beyond the Indian Ocean, but without a Mediterranean base the use of the Suez Canal could be very expensive for a blue water navy. If Israel ever lifts the blockade of the Port of Gaza the local Gazan government would finally be able to finish a deeper port and start servicing vessels like the PLA Navy. Gaza City should be a major Mediterranean port of call for ships entering and exiting the Suez Canal. It is obscene that the Palestinians are only allowed to make use of their port for fishing.
The genocide has to stop, obviously. The refugees needs to be allowed to return, obviously. But practically speaking you can't send every Zionist coloniser back home, just as you can't send every American coloniser back home.
The only chance of peace is for Palestinians and Zionists to live together as equals in a secular multiethnic state.
Uh no Israelis need to shut the fuck up and get in the sea. Complete and total irredeemable Nazi society. Gonna ask slaves to reconcile with their slaveowners next?
Israel cannot continue to exist without ever increasing levels of violence against Palestinians.
Forgiving what Israel has done is never an option, but the young burgeoning demographics of Palestine should be the majority and in control of the entire area. That is the only single state solution that respects the sovereignty of the people there.
Do you think the Nazi society that views Palestinians as subhumans is going to tolerate their control? Absolutely delusional. They are Nazis and they will turn Palestine into glass before they tolerate Palestinians having control.
I don't know a great deal about South Africa, but everything I've heard makes it sound like a deeply stratified country with significant problems with racism. I don't think that this should be the model for de-colonialization.
Yeah, exactly, the "Israeli" society is deeply, mask off reactionary colonizers, large percentage of the settlers living in occupied Palestine openly support genocide and apartheid.
This is the correct stance rn but unfortunately unless a big regional or world power intervenes financially and militarily massively on the side of the palestinian movement while the US doesnt on the Israeli side i sadly dont see the possibility of majority of Israeli's getting in the sea. So its not unreasonable to think that even in best case scenarios a large number of Israeli's will probably will have to live in the same state as Palestinians . Probably would have to learn the best lessons from the failures and situation of south africa "post" apartheid
Israel has nukes and you would have to be very ignorant of the history of those people to think they wouldnt be willing to plunge the world into nuclear hellfire rather then being driven from israel. Thats the beginning middle and end of the argument.
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Let the people there call it whatever they want. But Palestinians and Israelis need to learn to live together. You can't split a country in twain like Israel has to Palestine; as a scattered Palestinian homeland blockaded by sea and land will just continue endless apartheid.
An aside: China's overseas naval base in Djibouti extends the Chinese navy beyond the Indian Ocean, but without a Mediterranean base the use of the Suez Canal could be very expensive for a blue water navy. If Israel ever lifts the blockade of the Port of Gaza the local Gazan government would finally be able to finish a deeper port and start servicing vessels like the PLA Navy. Gaza City should be a major Mediterranean port of call for ships entering and exiting the Suez Canal. It is obscene that the Palestinians are only allowed to make use of their port for fishing.
If one group of people is actively genociding the other group, I don't think the primary concern is for them to learn to live together
Living together, right now, is not the primary concern at all; but a single state is the only long term solution.
There is no conceivable two state solution which does not end in apartheid.
The genocide has to stop, obviously. The refugees needs to be allowed to return, obviously. But practically speaking you can't send every Zionist coloniser back home, just as you can't send every American coloniser back home.
The only chance of peace is for Palestinians and Zionists to live together as equals in a secular multiethnic state.
Uh no Israelis need to shut the fuck up and get in the sea. Complete and total irredeemable Nazi society. Gonna ask slaves to reconcile with their slaveowners next?
Israel cannot continue to exist without ever increasing levels of violence against Palestinians.
Forgiving what Israel has done is never an option, but the young burgeoning demographics of Palestine should be the majority and in control of the entire area. That is the only single state solution that respects the sovereignty of the people there.
Do you think the Nazi society that views Palestinians as subhumans is going to tolerate their control? Absolutely delusional. They are Nazis and they will turn Palestine into glass before they tolerate Palestinians having control.
Right now you are absolutely right, but long term Israel is stuck in the same place that South Africa was.
I'd like to hope that like South Africa the colonizers relent and give control back to the people they usurped it from peacefully.
Uh things are not going well in South Africa. The white settlers are reacting violently to the minor attempts at equality being imposed.
S. Africa Wealth Gap Unchanged Since Apartheid, Group Says:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-04/apartheid-legacy-maintains-south-african-wealth-gap-group-says
I don't know a great deal about South Africa, but everything I've heard makes it sound like a deeply stratified country with significant problems with racism. I don't think that this should be the model for de-colonialization.
Yeah, exactly, the "Israeli" society is deeply, mask off reactionary colonizers, large percentage of the settlers living in occupied Palestine openly support genocide and apartheid.
So what’s the solution beyond dismantling the Israeli state?
Vietnam kicked all of its colonizers out. It's not up to me, but hopefully Palestinians come up with something similar.
I will respect the choice of the Palestinians. It’s their land, and their choice.
This is the correct stance rn but unfortunately unless a big regional or world power intervenes financially and militarily massively on the side of the palestinian movement while the US doesnt on the Israeli side i sadly dont see the possibility of majority of Israeli's getting in the sea. So its not unreasonable to think that even in best case scenarios a large number of Israeli's will probably will have to live in the same state as Palestinians . Probably would have to learn the best lessons from the failures and situation of south africa "post" apartheid
Israel has nukes and you would have to be very ignorant of the history of those people to think they wouldnt be willing to plunge the world into nuclear hellfire rather then being driven from israel. Thats the beginning middle and end of the argument.
I don't think Israeli apartheid will end until the US crumbles. I think I'm more optimistic on that timeline than most.
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Would you rather the Palestinians live in a state split in two?
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I agree, but eventually in the one state Palestine former Israelis and Palestinians will have to live together.
Yeah, and? Israelis gotta stop being whiny brats and allow Palestinians human rights
As an Arab this is definitely true, but there is enough pain and anguish and ignorance that it would still take some effort from us.