Honestly by the end of this their struggle session might give us a run for our money. Currently at 8 upvotes and 110 comments. OP is also a new account who has only posted this and in r/Taiwan. Grab your popcorn folks, this one’s juicy.
EDIT: The cowards locked it.
We absolutely should help Taiwan defend itself. I don’t understand you people at all. Do you suggest we go back to isolationism? Revoke every single overseas military base?
:sicko-yes:
"On a theoretical level I disagree with US foreign policy, but on every important issue I just happen to be on their side"
:yea:
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white, and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal
Hasan unironically hates that subreddit lol. He barely ever goes there, preferring even his discord or r/okbuddyhasan. Honestly, this is one issue I don't see him changing his mind on. Even if he has "white privilege" in certain circumstances, he's still an immigrant from a Muslim nation. He knows better than most Westerners what US military and foreign policy looks like.
On the other hand, I understand where the redditors are coming from. This level of vitriol and backlash is to be expected when confronted with the harsh reality. I used to be like that about a lot of things, even after I became a leftist. This'll be just one of the many world-changing revelations they'll have to deal with, and will determine if they become a true leftist or fall back to liberals.
HI isn't contested territory for the US. unless puerto rico, guam, or the USVI, HI is a goddamn STATE. one that was annexed without bloodshed, for that matter.
The US literally won puerto rico, guan and the virgin isles in a war with spain and did coup d'etat against the Hawaiian gov to forcefully annex them, wisest social imperialist
Someone else said Chinas been trying to annex Taiwan for over a century. They got called out and threw a fit lol.
So when the US was putting down monarchist insurrections after the coup detat, that was 'bloodless?'
supporting the chinese kautskyites in their imperialism against the taiwanese natives to own the tankies
They all seem very concerned with the sovereignty of a country that none of them have ever been to or know anyone from.
But what do they think would happen if China takes over? Unless the lives of ordinary Taiwanese people got worse, would it matter?
That’s not true. There’s a single guy who’s half Taiwanese who is very concerned about what the CCP did to his grandpa.
The idea of China taking over Taiwan is such a larp that people don't even think about it. It's mental masturbation for Chinese nationalists.
Do I need to know someone from, say, Indonesia, or Iraq, be worried about their sovereignty?
The question is who is taking them over. Iraq was invaded by the US and Co. After decades of meddling. I don't support military intervention in the middle East because it has only ever made things worse for the people that live there, and we have no good reason to be there. I am also from the west, so I have a stake over what is done in my name.
If China, a place I have never been and know no-one from, invades another place I've never been and know no-one from, I don't care. I'd only start to care if they genuinely made things worse for the people that lived there, but what would our recourse be? Fund a fascist coup? Launch a counter invasion? Impose more sanctions, like we did to Iraq in the 90s and are currently doing to Afghanistan? Because that always works!
My take is kind of based upon the notion that Chinese rule would be better, or at least no worse, than the current Taiwanese administration. I don't know enough about their politics to say whether that is true, of course, because I've never really had the inclination to look it up. If you think Taiwan is better off as an independent state, so be it.
My point is that having a personal stake isn't necessary to worry about people.
Still not sure I agree, but okay. But what are you worrying about specifically?
Just characterizing an Americans interest in "protecting the sovereignty" as bad because they don't personally know someone from the place is not a good reason to disparage it. I mean, there are plenty of reasons that Americans intervention in Taiwan is bad, but this is point is unimportant.
I've never met someone from Yemen, I'm still concerned about the people there.
China is Imperialist against Taiwan in the sense that the United States was imperialist against the confederacy.
The KMT does not represent Taiwan. They are only a fifth of the population of Taiwan and they're literally referred to as foreigners.
Oh and they oppressed the locals. Google white terror period.
Specifically the Taiwanese white terror, not to be confused with the Chinese white terror, also perpetuated by the GMD.
When you throw the first punch by starting a wholesome democratic purge of the commies, only to get your ass kicked to a small island.
:mao-clap:
Literally they had the soviet union's support when they were social democrats under Sun Yat-sen, all they had to do was not do a rightward turn and bloody purge of communists and 'suspected comunists' and they'd be ruling China right now.
That’s what I’ve always thought. They could have been patient and worked to gradually diminish the power of the Left and CPC, all while paying lip service to “Socialism under the Three Principles”. Hell, if they were that eager to spill blood, they could have waited until after the war and pulled an Indonesia with the CIA’s help.
They really have no one to blame but themselves.
No no you don’t understand they’re pro Democracy, unlike bad China See see pee authoritarian.
Both parties are pro democracy at the beginning of the war, but only the CPC actually implemented Republicanism during the course of the war in the three thirds system. The GMD instead chose to model their government after Mussolini's and indeed even called their police "blueshirts"
The US needs to stop regime change wars in the middle east. Aside from not helping us that much, they give us a bad reputation.
There's a poster with their priorities in order. The millions of people we've killed in the middle east aren't what matters, what matters is our country's reputation.
I know a lot of socdems and none think like this. Maybe they're radlibs, maybe "socdems" in countries like the US have a lot of brain rot. All the socdems I know live in the "third world" and none have insanely shitty takes like these.
The ROC and PRC are the exact same situation as ROK and DPRK
Holy shit, please libs, do continue this line of argument. People will start to realize how cool the DPRK is :sicko-pog:
just yesterday a friend was like "omg did you hear that someone smuggled a copy of squid game into north korea and now they're gonna be executed by firing squad"
and i just thought how the hell did i ever believe this shit
Great radicalization opportunity, show them the other headline where the DPRK official praises the show
I love Hasan but a big segment of his audience are baby leftists. (which isn't a bad thing, imo) You'll have dumb fucking takes like this.
'member when Hascord fucking e-mailed Chomsky a fucking dissertation about how undemocratic the mod selection of the discord was? And Chomsky fucking replied?
I'm so torn. Was that amazing or lame as fuck? So goddamn lame that it loops back to amazing?
Radlibs gonna radlib.
I’m so torn. Was that amazing or lame as fuck?
Both. Bothering Chomsky with discord drama is so lame it's hilarious, and also Chomsky deserves it.
Exhibit 3 -- including Chomsky's reply
Imagine the brainworms it'd take to do that... It's all worms, no brain, bruh.
Tbh, knowing this I wish we had emailed Chomsky to get him to weigh in on outdoor cats.
The next time there's a Hexbear struggle session, we will have conclusive, indisputable means of resolution: :chomsky-yes-honey:
There probably is somewhere. He nuked the discord after that, and brings it up occasionally to dunk on them.
It’s so funny to annoy them though. Just point out even the smallest flaw in their perspective and they go berserk
