Terrifying how many of our medical experts are barely holding on throughout the last two years with all this violence against them
Imagine being faced with the choice of A) letting your husband die alone, or B) wearing a mask inside the hospital, and choosing A. Then imagine, having chosen A, your next choice is to punch in the nose the physician who is kind enough to come outside to talk to you about your dead husband.
And afterwards yelling at them while they're lying on the ground that they could've saved your husband by pumping them full of vitamins or some shit. Fucking christ, man. :agony-deep:
I know! And I know that saying "Imagine {wild thing that happened}" is an internet joke, but I'm literally trying to imagine it. And I can't. I can't fathom this, and it's making me feel like a total :doomjak: trying to think of how society goes forward like this. What do you say to these people? I don't know, this one really hit me even though none of it is a surprise given what's been going on in this country.
Propaganda is a hell of a drug and these people overdosed on it.
Gender roles be damned I would've struck her back at that point lmao
"Alright the bloodlust is getting out of hand, lets put down the pitchforks and take a deep breath before we start calling for heads on spikes.
Locked."
Reddit moment
(Also the moderator is ex-qanon lmao)
But like, who thought it would be a good idea to put them in a position of power?
Deradicalization takes years, and requires active work. It's not just something you can walk out of.
Oh sorry, that question I have no idea the answer to. I don't spend much time on the linked sub, is it like support group oriented? That could explain it, maybe.
He begged me to bring in his family. A nurse called them, because they had never come to the hospital. They refused to wear masks, and so would not be admitted. The nurse told the wife that her husband was likely dying, and was begging to see them. All she cared about was masks. She would only come if she and her daughters didn't have to wear any.
The nurse came to me and told me the wife wanted to speak to me. I got on the phone and she ordered me to cure him with ivermectin and vitamin C & D. I explained to her, those do not work, they have been extensively studied and the amount of ivermectin needed to treat even mild COVID would kill a human being. Once again, I was told I was ignorant. I asked her to come down to the hospital, to bring her children, to at least wait outside. Somehow, she agreed.
Holy fuck. Fascist ideology on part of the mother
They are having parties with other elites, they don't give any attention to stuff like this.
probably thinking 'hmm, americans are stupid. maybe i should invest in the chinese, or maybe the new zealanders in order to diversify my portfolio. '
Politics is individual brand consumption. This probably makes them mildly upset, but that's just reassurance that they're consuming the correct brand of politics
I don't think this is totally an issue of education though - there are plenty of people that are pretty smart that also have the :brainworms:
I've honestly given up trying to understand it. It doesn't help with the mixed messages our government has been giving people, they don't appear any more knowledgeable than some rando trying to sell essential oils at this point. Like I'm some random schmuck and even I could have done a better job.
Can't wait for five months or so from now when Fauci says that most Americans won't need any more boosters, and then changes his mind within a month when some other variant pops up. If I didn't have a biochemistry degree I probably wouldn't know who to believe either.
I’m some random schmuck and even I could have done a better job.
Constantly 2 weeks ahead of the news and the government because I can rub a few brain cells together.
general "education" doesn't necessarily do anything, but if education wasn't just workforce preparation it could help IMO
I've been watching TPUSA's Americafest and it brings me no pleasure to report it seems they're going with the latter.
no gems, only brainworms.
I got to see Gym Jordan walk out onto a stage to a banger house track, a guy with no arms and no legs talk about how abortion is basically slavery, Jimmy John (from the sandwich chain) break down in tears about how he neglected his children growing up, and to be honest I'm not sure how much of it was a fever dream.
E: Day three so far I've seen O'Keefe's/Project Veritas' life story as told through interpretive dance and Seb Gorka spend 10 minutes talking about how he didn't have to hire Coyote's to get into god's chosen nation. Apparently my fever hasn't broken yet.
E: More to the point of original comment: "Back then, my parents fled to the US from a communist dictatorship. If America falls... WE. WILL. HAVE. NOWHERE. TO. RUN. TO." applause -Lion of Budapest
E: I don't know who Benny Johnson is but they staunchly believe Star Wars and Mean Girls are right-wing allegories and stories about conservative hero figures.
I don't know if I should give you an o7 for sitting through that or scold you for sitting through that
Jimmy John (from the sandwich chain) break down in tears about how he neglected his children growing up
No shock from me that the elephant-murdering psycho is also a terrible father
We haven't yet got to the point where the inmates are running the asylum, and they can't think in the long term.
There is no saving this. There is only collapse.
Western Communists can only pick up the pieces.
The rich and powerful got exactly what they wanted. They sold themselves the rope.
when they see stories like this
They don't. They're shielded from this reality. They never have to witness the horror.
click thru their post history; absolutely nuts. the system is eating itself faster and faster
I wonder if the monetized US hospital system makes for much worse experiences for the staff. It must, right?
not this person, but I remember reading a post somewhere about "what is the hardest part about being a doctor?" and it wasn't "telling people a family member died" but telling them "your health insurance ran out and then watching single moms do the math trying to figure out how long they could keep their children alive for"
so yeah, probably not great
The thing that really got me with emergency medicine was the moral and ethical context surrounding cases. When it's sufficiently broken the body itself just becomes abstract meat and it's easy to repair something I see as a collection of textbook trivia. Muscle memory shit. But if you go into the field because it engages a sense of empathy, you're empathising with the most traumatic moment of someone's life. Abuse, sex crimes, parents rushing up with dead kids, people with injuries where you can only fix the most basic functions of the meat at the expense of torturing whatever is left of the person. You're with them for that and have to make a genuine connection at least to some degree for rapport and trust. Then five minutes later you have to have dumped it and gone into two other rooms. For twelve hours or more, every other day. Without a pandemic it's such an emotionally exhausting field that it astounds me people can do it for a full career.
Couldn't do the antivaxxers. They're already a demographic I associate with bad mothers disabling or murdering their children out of ignorance. When they finally got hold of a genuinely dangerous virus to inflict on society, the only difference between them and a bioterrorist is sneezing in a container first. When people bring up the demographics that can't or haven't receive(d) the vaccine yet, those are the demographics the plague rats threaten most and yet they squeak it as pseudoaltruism to attack the slogan of abortion rights as well. They're so genuinely evil, irredeemable to the very end, that there's no way I could engage with them and then disengage from them like normal patients. Doing the job now would be so constantly infuriating, with the knowledge that it will only get worse and that there is absolutely no cavalry coming except the literal military medical corps as a stop-gap before systemic collapse. Massive hospital strikes can't come soon enough.
My SO is an ICU nurse and has been progressively losing her shit over the past two years. She's gone from full to part time (partially because she's taking classes for her masters while working) and still has emotional breakdowns on a monthly basis due to work stress.
Thankfully she hasn't had to deal with any Q people, but seeing people young and old die from this shit in front of her on a daily basis and then going out in public and having basically no one give a shit has taken a serious toll. Her sister, who is also an ICU nurse, is dating a Trump conservative and he has been poisoning her brain to the point that she has become borderline anti-vax. Her dad won't wear a mask in public because "it's uncomfortable" even though he has been smoking for most of his life and will almost certainly be a serious case if he catches it, even if he's vaccinated. Her mom, an EMT for decades and someone with multiple comorbidities, won't wear a mask if other people aren't wearing one because she doesn't want to "look stupid". Her other siblings dragged their feet on getting vaccinated even as she described young, otherwise healthy people dying in the ICU. A few days ago we were at an indoor event with maybe 50 other people in the room and we were the only ones wearing masks - this is including someone who was nearly ventilated a few weeks ago. We really do fucking love to die here in the USA, folks.
I think I saw someone say it on the Herman Cain award sub, but the truest phrase I've read about all of this is "I'm nowhere near smart enough for so many people to be dumber than me".
I have to wonder how the calculus on this breaks down, because American society continuously tempts mass death and social collapse on a minute by minute basis. Just so the level of convenience remains constant. Readily available consumer goods, drive-thrus, and sports on TV. Those are seen as the markets of a well functioning society and nothing else matters. We'd rather all die than live with even a moment of mandated responsibility. The bourgeoisie would rather work every single person to death than build a stable society. Our imagination has been drained from us to the point we can only imagine two situations, either "normal" or dead.
the need to consume even up to the point that we are ourselves consumed remains non-negotiable.
Pretty succinctly put.
i legit had the lady giving me a vax be antivax one time. luckily im 100% certain that she actually gave me it cause of the reaction my body had, but gotta say that shit is spooky
by capitalists because one day they might get to be the capitalist
Partly true (and I'm all good with it), but I would add that American liberals also are willing to get exploited because those outside of the borders are being exploited even more intensely by their same masters. [They think that] As long as they passively allow this to continue, low cost treats will continue to flow. This is true, but not indefinitely, however the real pressure is only just starting to kick in this decade.
That's not a helpful level of detail in the U.S. Anyone who isn't already a leftist hears "both sides are the same" and tunes the rest out.
So we write people off because they don't know leftist jargon, or would yawn at a dense old economics treatise? That's not a good plan.
The main, immediate challenge for the U.S. left right now is to figure out how to bring the great mass of the population that's dissatisfied with capitalism into some kind of organized leftist movement. That's going to involve communicating with people in terms they understand, at least at first. Saying that liberals are anti-vaxers makes no sense to any ordinary person. If we can't speak to ordinary people, that's an us problem.
This is a leftist forum. Calling them "liberals" is perfectly understood here.
We are facing a true social crisis. A ton of people genuinely feel that the mere concept of social responsibility is violent oppression. To Margaret Thatcher's "there is no society, only individuals" I say, this is what that looks like.
A society like that is no longer viable. To the QAnon problem, and it's army of lunatic fascists, add the every increasing deterioration of the material conditions of pretty much everyone. We're talking about an imperial core that has hundreds of problems stacked one upon the other, eventually it has to fall apart under it's own weight.
The US have rejected Socialism, they have embraced Capitalism in it's rather savage and pure form, and now they're going to pay the price.
yeah when people are out here assaulting doctors on a regular basis you know your society is fucked. it will fall upon us to build a better one from the ashes
The entire nursing sub is stuffed with similarly fucked stories. I doubt it would make a difference, especially at this point, but it feels like too few people appreciate not just the truly fucked conditions doctors and nurses have been dealing with but also the ways COVID and its real treatments fucking rot your body. The story you linked talks about amputating the patient’s foot. I’ve heard shit about maggot colonies popping up in intubated patients. The gasping for air, crying, the overwhelming panic. Seems like the moment you need to get hospitalized for this you’re better off dead.
They probably should’ve directly shown the suffering on TV or something, HIPAA be damned. Like I said, it would’ve probably done jack shit for masks and vaccines, but I guess we’ll never know.
Almost done with my nursing school (not looking forward to entering this Hellpit) and doing my rounds in critical care and yeah this is common. Covid doesn't just fuck with lungs it causes so many other downstream problems like clotting disorders in which patients will get multiple DVTs and then throw one of these giant clots and have an embolism. Treating this via medication leads to hands and feet turning outright black and blue due to vasopressors inducing necrosis if used too long or improperly as some ICUs are too swamped for care to be given effectively and so shit gets forgotten. Then you got patients that survived covid but now have increased risk of stroke, again due to the clotting impact as well as reduced activity tolerance, who then drop several months later. This fucking virus is hell short term and long term and we will likely see a dip in the life expectancy of this country once covid survivors get older and drop.
They probably should’ve directly shown the suffering on TV or something, HIPAA be damned. Like I said, it would’ve probably done jack shit for masks and vaccines, but I guess we’ll never know.
I know plenty of much smarter and wiser thinkers have said it in much smarter ways but: nothing is real to Americans unless you see it on TV.
They probably should’ve directly shown the suffering on TV or something, HIPAA be damned. Like I said, it would’ve probably done jack shit for masks and vaccines, but I guess we’ll never know.
Absolutely missed an opportunity here. I remember they showed some of what was going on in Italy back at the beginning and it was plenty enough for me
I remember thinking about going to med school back in college, but things didn't pan out. Seeing what covid and the US' reaction to it, I'm glad I didn't enter the medical field.
Several of my relatives have been on the other side of this, screaming at doctors about ivermectin as their husbands or fathers die. Their brains have entirely overwritten reality.
A pharmacist friend of mine has been getting screamed at a lot over this whole ivermectin thing
