Are we all in agreement? Is the lathe even involved with this one?
Unless they get 67 Republicans in there (but they can't. Only 14 Democratic Senators are up for reelection.), it will be nothing but a spectacle. The only thing it will accomplish is making the constitutional institutions look like a circus. So I hope they do it.
idk I don't see it impossible to get 3-4 democrat senators to just go for it with the proper money/bribes/donations/PAC support/whatever the fuck
Manchin and Singapore would probably do it no questions asked.
I'm not gonna bother correcting that. You know who I mean.
Is it the funniest outcome? Signs point to yes, but don't misunderstand the GOP's performative dissatisfaction with Biden as being evidence of material willingness to rock the political boat. They are fossils that crave the status quo no matter how much they pretend to hate it.
I'm wondering if they'd "hold him ransom" with a bunch of policy demands, which he'd performatively refuse but then do anyway. Libs can claim he stood his ground ("So brave!"), conservative ghouls can claim they gave him a reasonable chance ("More than they gave Trump!") and get their policies enacted anyway, chuds within the GOP can claim dissatisfaction about the ultimatum and still get elected on popular outrage ("I would have killed and eaten him!"). Everyone wins. Except the majority of people.
Does the GOP really crave the status quo? I'd say the Democrats do much more so with their "incremental change" that amounts to nothing. The modern GOP wants their white ethon-state back and anything in between is gommunism.
Eh, the GOP isn't a total monolith. Don't get me wrong, they have much better solidarity between themselves than the Democratic Party does between itself, but there's definitely a divide between the old school "I just wanna wring dry the working class and pump that money towards my donors and then go grill" Republicans and the new "jewish space lasers" Republicans. The former's interests are indistinguishable from capitalists' and so would only want an ethnostate if the capitalists want it (which they do, but not as an active goal, or we'd be in outright fascism with death camps for all non-whites already) whereas the latter I think would actively drive towards an ethnostate, ahead of the pack. The latter actually means it when they say that everything left of Reagan is socialist antifa anarchocommunism, whereas for the former, they don't really believe it, they just say it because it's required to get their base angry and voting.
Nah they'll listen to the rule of law and actually step down from power to maintain quorum and the respect of law
This is literally how they would phrase it too. Incredible country
Fun fact: the speaker of the house is not required to be an elected member of the house of representatives. A bill was introduced in the house in July 2021 to add this requirement, but was never voted on. The speaker of the house is second in line to be president after the vice president.
"Speaker of the House President Donald J Trump"
I feel like this might happen, if only because the outcome would be exactly what this country deserves: Biden and Harris getting impeached - and conceding and resigning without much of a fight to the GOP, making Speaker Trump the President again.
It's perfect because the GOP gets what it wants like it always does, and the Democrats can only scream "coup! We've been coup'd!" so loudly because ultimately it was legal and that's the part they care about most. And then the GOP can scream about liberals being hypocrites about impeachments. And then the Dems can cry about the GOP kinda-sorta-pulling-a-coup-call-it-a-coup-we-have-to-call-it-one-and-otherwise-do-nothing.
The perfect blur of just enough deniability and confusion that nothing actually changes.
the GOP is using Leninist tactics.
The only Leninist tactic the GOP is actually using is a funky little tactic called "winning"
Yeah because the GOP is winning. Leninist tactics help you win.
Presidential Politics and Congressional Politics are two very different animals.
I could see House Speaker Peter Thiel or House Speaker Michael Bloomberg at some point in the future. But Donald Trump won with a real (GOP-internal) popular mandate. Speakers are nominated by greasing the right number of palms among the elected.
They will just do the exact same thing they did to Clinton in the 90s... And really even Sec Clinton they did the same shit. Parade after parade of hearings until they finally find one thread to pull on that gives some victory. All the while the Dems won't even be pretending to pass legislation unless it's designed by Republicans.
or its a bill to give disney infinite copyright lifespan
Would the hogs even care? I feel like an impeachment would be pure theatrics for no one specifically. The average chud is content screaming let's go brandon and doesn't actually care about the political maneuvering of Republican representatives.
No. They want blood. It's part of their whole professional victims who seek vengeance persona: someone needs to go down to prove the point of their existence.
Might be both. Something like they "impeach him" but it doesn't convict and the chuds lose their mind calling for heads to roll etc etc (willfully ignoring that it was the same shit with Trump of course) and bam you've got your insurrection
An impeachment, when executed competently, would mean Joe Biden is removed from office. The hogs would love it.
I agree, impeachments are lib shit. Ridiculously procedural and boring. The chuds want blood, not just like formal reprimands
And then call a constitutional convention. Seems unlikely they won't pick up the necessary state legislatures while they're at it.
Can they do that with just a majority or do they need like two-thirds of the house or some shit?
You need a majority in the house to impeach, and a supermajority in the Senate to remove from office.
Someone do the wonk thing of telling me how likely that is to happen and the key races to watch in 2022. Without Virgil on the pod I’m lost and confused
Highly likely the house flips and impeachment is a realistic expectation just out of spite, but it's very unlikely they would have enough votes in the senate to remove Biden even if they flip every seat up for election in the midterms.
If they flip every seat in the Senate, they will still need 3 democrats to vote in favor.
House will probably flip, since the Dems only have a 10 seat margin.
Senate will also probably flip, since the GOP only needs one seat. Looking at the map, I think that Colorado, Nevada and Arizona and Georgia are within striking distance as GOP pickups. The only possible Democratic pickup this cycle are maybe Pennsylvannia and Wisconsin.
This still doesn't give them enough votes for removal though. So like I said I think they will definitely vote to impeach but it will fail on party lines in the senate as it did with Trump.
I figure they'll impeach him at least 3 times just so he's been impeached more times than Trump.
I don't think they can get enough seats in the senate for a supermajority based on whos up for election.
They will definitely do it anyway if they flip the house though.
It's basically already there yeah? Clinton and Trump is 2/5 and the whole dumb show they put on with Trump, "impeaching" him twice but it literally having zero effect at anything makes it a complete clown show lmao
Sure, but they'll fail to remove and it will all be embarrassing and stupid. So.... Business as usual.
That's fine. Just like with Trump and Clinton, the performative act of impeachment gives Congresscritters cover for fucking around and collecting a paycheck while rubber stamping corporate graft over the next 2-6 years.
Republicans spent six years under Obama doing investigations. They had, what? Eight different Bengazi Hearings? It's all just for the cameras and for the suckers in the base. This is what you do when Culture War bullshit isn't bringing in the same kind of numbers.
