Someone hit them with some Lenin, if they're ready to see behind the veil maybe it'll get them on the road to purging the rest of their :brainworms:
Oh dip, yeah big :rosa-salute: to whoever dropped the Lenin
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Absolutely not. This guy is a company man and will suck the US's dick all the way down its decline. Anyone who has any "concern" about Jan 6th or "accomplices in Congress" is a baby brain useful idiot with completey compromised judgement. This same person will tell you China's genocide of the Uyghurs.
Hard disagree. Ideology runs deep in the states and its no accident that the first thing that gets fed to you when you're fed up and start looking for political solutions to your daily woes is liberal media slop. I know plenty of people who are solid leftists now that started out buying into the whole russia gate nonsense and just through the process of encountering leftists ideas and continuously watching libs fall flat on their face managed to radicalize. The guy's already posting about worker's rights and is on the cusp of understanding that the libs they were scared for on Jan 6th are in on the whole thing too. Call me an optimist but I think a lot of these radlibs will radicalize as they see the norms and institutions they respect fail again and again to actually serve them. Which is to say the dialectic of materialism will negate out of them their liberal brainworms :brainworms:
I’m ashamed to admit that I was a Russiagate lib 😔 The lib media talked about it like it was fact, and I was a Pod Save listener at the time :bern-disgust: It was actually listening to the Chapo pod and finding the old subreddit that de:brainworms:ed me
Unless your parents are commies most people pass through the radlib stage at some point
Being concerned at all about this means you're an idiot who will lap up any bullshit you hear on the news, hook line and sinker. These are the people who whine about "tankies", deep throat US imperialism. They are counter productive because they whine about how they "want the same thing" and then constantly concern troll about supporting the Empire. They are your enemy.
Because anyone who thinks like the person in the OP is not open to radicalization, full stop. They are social fascists. Trying to reach out to libs like this is how you end up with Breadtube.
If people are curious and have questions, then we should absolutely guide them along. "Reaching out" just dilutes the movement with these idiot libs and gradually gets you into reddit tier "America is fundamentally good, Socialism is wen roads and libraries and unions" bullshit. This idiot who is "ripe for radicalization" is a straight up news fanboy, completely plugged into the spectacle, and people here are deluded enough to think he will turn into a tankie. That's how you end up with 2020 Bernie lmfao.
I can not wrap my head around why so many people on this site refuse to recognize that leftwards-running pipelines are real. Just as real as the reactionary pipelines we correctly decry. We absolutely have to reach out to libs like this. I'd go so far as to say it's the duty of any determined leftist to do so. As MaoistLandlord was saying, who the fuck here was not a lib at some point? The lib in OP is questioning the whole thing, they're starting to recognize the futility of voting which is actually a massive accomplishment for even a radlib.
And btw, while breadtube is full of cringe, it is absolutely a good thing. It is a stepping stone on the path towards actual radicalization.
And btw, while breadtube is full of cringe, it is absolutely a good thing
This from the fucking rooftops.
Breadtube may not ideologically align with the preferences of the revolutionary left. It still serves as a useful tool for us. It presents to people the first keys they need to get past their indoctrination. It gives them the tools for critical analysis that let them start to see the propaganda directed at them. There's still a lot of work left to do to get them out of their comfort zone, but for all the scorn directed at it, the one good thing to come out of Bernie 2020 is a wave of radicalization among his supporters. It serves as the single most powerful argument we have that, within the constraints of this tomb of a nation, there is nothing to be won without fundamental rupture. There are ways to move people past the belief that you can work within the system. We have those tools, but we need them to be ready to hear us, first.
An example of how pipelines can work? Yeah, I'd certainly say that it is. For me, this site is where the pipeline finally dropped me off with something of a consistent worldview.
Because the substance of where they are coming from is completely wrong. We should be welcoming to these people if they figure it out, but mass reaching out to people like this just gets you the DSA war contractor caucus or the CPUSA talking about how we need to make sure Democrats stay in power because of the "fascist threat" from the Republicans.
while breadtube is full of cringe, it is absolutely a good thing.
It's compromised by intelligence services. It's basically a pied piper.
It’s compromised by intelligence services.
It's funny you should mention that. Because if it wasn't for the many other comments I've seen from you that I have a lot of respect for, I would say that any so-called leftist agitating against reaching out to disillusioned libs is clearly :fedposting:
I mean seriously. That is like thee one path we have towards actually reaching the goals we're seeking. We have to do everything we can to educate and organize. And to cry out that doing that sort of thing is a waste of time, to act like working to shift people who are already at the left end of what's considered acceptable is a bad or foolish thing... well, that's just totally undermining what minuscule power we actually have as leftists. And it's ridiculous at face value. I would not want to be part of any leftist group or website where that was the consensus, as I would be convinced it was infested with 3-letter agencies.
And yeah, Hbomberguy, Philosophytube, even Shaun... they're all CIA agents, clearly.
(We need a good eye roll emoji btw)It’s compromised by intelligence services.
Oh, good lord... If you're not just playing wrecker, then you need to get off the internet, because the highly-online types are not doing you any favors.
Anyone who has any “concern” about Jan 6th or “accomplices in Congress” is a baby brain useful idiot
Jan 6th was the closest thing we've had in this country to a real in-your-face Fascist moment since the LAPD was caught on camera bludgeoning Rodney King. I don't think its fair to say liberals being shocked awake by the event makes them "baby brained". Just the contrary. Frustration at Team D's refusal to take Jan 6th seriously - by failing on shit like instituting DC statehood, defending voter rights in red states, actually prosecuting media and political figures who fanned the flames, and leveraging the powers of the state to push back - is absolutely radicalizing and eye-opening.
This same person will tell you China’s genocide of the Uyghurs.
Whether you believe in the Uyghur media-babble or not, there's virtually nothing anyone in the US government can really do about it except complain.
There are a host of policies Joe Biden could pursue right away, and Congress could have shoe-horned into must pass legislation, and state parties could be advancing in anticipation of mid-terms, that expand the capacity of liberals to organize, participate, and set future policies through electoral channels.
But if you have to bring up the Uyghurs, its worth noting that this is another thing Biden's basically failed on. Even if you say you care, he's not doing anything to stop this alleged genocide. No more than he's cooking up a cure for Havana Syndrome or building a missile dome to stop Crazy North Koreans from nuking us all.
Whatever you believe about world affairs, the Dem response has been to sit on their hands and complain about the Parliamentarian. They're clearly incapable of governing. And that alone is radicalizing.
Go back to Reddit.
in this country to a real in-your-face Fascist moment since the LAPD was caught on camera bludgeoning Rodney King
Lib brained nonsense.
As someone who was genuinely invested in the Mueller investigation years ago, I'm going to disagree with you. When that shit fell through, I looked around for answers until I stumbled onto the original Chapo sub.
And if a leftist would have "reached out to you" how would you have responded?
God damn that comment section though. "Yeah but at least he isn't Trump!" Libs really prepared to die on that hill.
Dems had a congressional majority in 2017 and did more with it under Trump than they've done under Biden. I'm still a little surprised they haven't tried to Grand Bargain away Social Security and Medicare like Obama tried to do, but I guess even the corporate Dems are totally out of gas at this point. Or maybe they're just saving that for 2023, so they can Own The Libs one more time.
I thought Trump Derangement Syndrome was just another one of those chud insults, until I turned on Maddow one night. TDS might be understating it. MSNBC's obsession with Trump and Russia continues to this day, while 2 Dems torpedo every meaningful piece of legislation. They've made a large block of the population that was already out of touch even more out of touch
Fascinatingly, they had a bit of lucidity when Trump caught covid and all of a sudden, it was bad to wish anything negative on him.
And it's only true in the most literal sense. Policy-wise, he hasn't undone a whole lot of Trump's work
Klansmen that voted to expand Medicare and Social Security, weirdly enough.
Now we've just got a party full of Conservative Citizens Council members who proudly denounce the Klan, hate entitlements, and quietly hand Greg Abbot money for a big meat grinder to be installed on the southern border.
:pinker: Line Go Up Things Get Better?
I don't even know anymore. Its nice to think that when we functionally purged the Klan (for, like, the third or fourth time) from government institutions in the 70s and 80s, material conditions improved for the country. But I don't see it in the numbers. Did the prison population go down? Did the country get any less hostile towards migrants? Did we engage in fewer wars? Did social services meaningfully improve? Did wages increase? Did life expectancy and infant mortality improve?
It seems like we didn't bring colored folk up when we abolished the Klan. We just allowed more white folk to sink down, while a few token minorities were positioned as a new class of overseer.
As a Houstonian, I still see police wrestling with homeless black men on the street. I still drive through the slums and shop at stores full of low-wage minority workers. I still know where all the big prisons are. I've been down to Ben Taub Hospital, I've passed through the HISD school districts and talked to the teachers. I've volunteered at the Houston Food Bank and I've door knocked through some rough parts of town on behalf of a certain skateboarding would-be Senator.
I can't tell you how things were in the 1960s, but I can tell you how they were in the 90s, the 00s, and the 10s. This doesn't feel like a city that's getting better, even if a few people clamber up through the cracks and make it into the upper-middle class.
The Klan went away for two reasons for one the industrialisation of the south removed the material conditions the Klan was a product of. and the Soviet union was using it as an example for why African nations should align with them rather than the US so their driving factor went away at around the same time they became a liability.
How life improved was segregation and lynchings stopped. America is institutionally racist but it still used to be worse when there was a terrorist organisation dedicated to making life unlivable for black people
The Klan went away
I don't know that it did. I'd say it was just rebranded and reintegrated under the evangelical movement and then the Tea Party / Trump movements that followed.
How life improved was segregation and lynchings stopped.
Segregation wasn't stopped. It was rebranded as meritocracy. Neighborhoods are no less segregated than they were fifty years ago. Schools and businesses continue to enforce racial divisions under secularized metrics.
Lynchings simply became a role of the state rather than the mob. Again, look to the modern prison system and police state. You'll find plenty of lynchings. Now you can kill someone by SWATing them.
you are only thinking of the Klan as a political organisation dedicated to racism. What you aren't taking into account is that the organisations you mentioned have nowhere near the hold over their communities that the Klan at it's height managed to maintain and they are not nearly as capable of campaigns of organised and sustained terror.
The US both now and then has structures dedicated to ensuring that people who use institutional power and violence to suppress black people and other minorities get away with it and are rewarded. The difference is the presence of an organisation dedicated to making use of this to wage guerrilla warfare and conduct terrorist campaigns against the black community.
To compare the capitol riots for example with the operations of the Klan in Mississippi in the 60's is ludicrous.
you are only thinking of the Klan as a political organisation dedicated to racism. What you aren’t taking into account is that the organisations you mentioned have nowhere near the hold over their communities that the Klan at it’s height managed to maintain and they are not nearly as capable of campaigns of organised and sustained terror.
Now we just have the modern police. And maybe the police happen to be staffed with the exact same people who were formally in the Klan, but I assure you that this time its going to be different.
The US both now and then has structures dedicated to ensuring that people who use institutional power and violence to suppress black people and other minorities get away with it and are rewarded. The difference is the presence of an organisation dedicated to making use of this to wage guerrilla warfare and conduct terrorist campaigns against the black community.
How is the modern Saint Louis PD engaged in conduct materially different from the Klan era? What about the Baltimore PD? Or the Chicago PD? Or the Dallas PD?
To compare the capitol riots for example with the operations of the Klan in Mississippi in the 60’s is ludicrous.
The capital riots were only able to occur because the police were in on it.
A ton of social democratic reforms happened during the 50s 60s and 70s in pretty much every western country, the same thing started to happen in reverse from the 80s onward in pretty much every western country again which leads me to believe that whoever is in charge just determines the speed not the direction of politics. Right now the direction seems to be "make more and more things accessible to the 'market' " so that companies can get another area they can get profits from to put on the balance sheet how company xyz grew and made more revenue.
if only there was a way to put this in a pill and force feed it to the rest of them
This is like in 2002 I was a weeb and noticed there were like 4 types of anime that are being remade over and over, characters being mixed and matched. I noticed the Dems never had enough votes to do fucking anything in 2009 when they pissed away a super majority.
Just now they are trying and failing to enact a George W Bush neocon platform instead.
