Now I know how they could craft such a story about China

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence. This however is the most common and expected situation. Liberals are just polite fascists. The nordic folk all know it to. Have you ever read a Nordic book that wasn't simply about them forcefully repressing the knowledge of what is required to maintian their lifestyle? Every single one.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Girl with the dragon tatto was popular not to long ago. I can spoil it for you, but as with all nordic media the largest part of the plot is about the darkness that is secretly under every aspect of their society.

        • Barabas [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          I now kind of want a nordic noir version of Karlsson-on-the-Roof.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I only seen the movie, but I do seem to recall it being much darker and more mean about society than contemporary children's movies of it's time. Doesn't she have a fortune explicitly based on colonial exploitation that allows he the freedom to be herself in the face of socities dictates?

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Unlike most other children's literature it is pretty up front about the colonial stuff. Her dad who is a sailor and a king in "the South Sea" gave her a chest of gold coins, enabling her to live by herself in a house with a horse and a monkey. But on the other hand Pippi beats up cops who wants to haul her to foster care and challenges expectations of what girls can and can't do so the story has some good parts as well.

          • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            So my analysis that she explicitly uses wealth stolen from the global south to fund her idillic existence free from normative alienation is not without merit then.

  • Gosplan14 [any]
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    3 years ago

    It's because iirc Swedish family laws make it pretty easy for Child Protection services to take away the children from their families when they deem it is an environment where the child can not develop properly. Now I don't know what this specific case entailed, but I am 100% sure that racism and/or presumption of islamism where it was completely inapplicable plays a role in such cases, especially since it's a country where a large chunk of the population has far-right sympathies (and of course xenophobes of other political views)

  • pppp1000 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Won't stop socdems from wishing for "nordic socialism" while this news and the one about Denmark pushing for maximum 30% non Danish in any locality is out there in the open recently.

    Someone should ask the US socdems politicians on whether they will put out a statement on it. I bet they won't. But they will easily condemn evil authoritarian "red fash tankie" regimes in Cuba, China, Venezuela, etc.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, barely a day goes by that you dont hear agitation against "Honor culture" or muslims not integrating "properly".

  • Ursus_Hexagonus [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I'm sure Sweden's social services have many faults worthy of criticism, but these tweets kinda stink of atrocity propaganda.

    edit: CW : suicide

    spoiler

    The first girl in the pictures, Jasmine Bergström has a series of articles written about her in the newspaper Aftonbladet. Allegedly she had mental health problems, and after seven different foster homes (at least one of them wanted to keep her but authorities said no for some reason) social services basically went "fuck it" and threw her in an institution meant for older kids who are in heavy crime or drugs. After acting aggressively toward staff she was put in isolation for months and neglected, after which she committed suicide. I can only find vague mention that she was originally separated from her parents due to physical abuse. Her aunt is interviewed and mentions nothing to the tune of Jasmine having been unfairly taken from her family.

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    I can't find anything on Dina Alhassan or Diab Talal

    The guy brutalizing the kid in the last video is a security guard, probably in the Stockholm subway, not what I would call a "soldier". Was he "kidnapped" by authorities, though?

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Do we have another source? Not that I doubt these claims, but it's good to have more evidence.

    • anoncpc [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      3 years ago

      https://mobile.twitter.com/drhamedidrissi/status/1489857497489887232 Morocco association scholar put out a statement to condemn it

    • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      https://daraj.com/en/36610/

      im gonna bet there's zero western media coverage on this. can't make the yte countries look like anything except benevolent.

      • blobjim [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Especially since they're fleeing war in Syria, which at this point is pretty much entirely fueled by the United States.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The story gives few details but it seems to have a few different themes.

    • One of the children reported being beaten. While still common in many cultures, corporal punishment of children is an indefensible practice that harms children's development. For that reason it is illegal in Sweden. The authorities had to react in some way. Given the information available the reaction seems extreme and needlessly aggressive though and it probability did a lot more harm than good. Although it is unacceptable for parents to hit their children many other more empathetic and more intelligent courses of action for ending it exists. Everyone involved would probably have been better off had the family received non-threatening and respectful information and counseling. If the parents suffer from depression and trauma and can't handle the children, a so-called "relief family" that helped shoulder some of the work without severing family ties could have been a good alternative. Forcibly removing children from their families is always a deeply traumatic experience for the child as well as the family. In extreme ​cases it can be least bad option but it is never a happy story.
    • Once the state takes over the care for children, be it justifiable or not, it becomes responsible for keeping them safe and providing them with a healthy and nurturing environment. However in many cases this doesn't happen and the children experience neglect ranging from the emotional coldness that comes with caring for children because it's a job and not because you do it out of love to violence and sexual abuse. To make things worse often the system doesn't believe the children when they tell of abuse and many of the bureaucrats working there do so with a lazy defeatist mindset, the children are already fucked up, so why even make an effort?
    • Government bureaucracies of the imperial core are systemically racist. Also in liberal poster child Sweden. Where a white family would have been allowed to keep their children, the Syrian family was subjected to the most far-reaching measures available.
    • When a child is put in foster care, be it justifiable or not, placing it in a family that have alien culture and traditions, thereby effectively suppressing those of the child and cutting it off from its heritage in itself constitutes a form of abuse. At the very least foster parents should show the utmost effort to understand and enable the culture and traditions the child is used to.
    • CTHlurker [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I feel like every time someone says that systems in the Imperial core are racist, I have to bring up their absolutely indefensible treatment of the Roma people. Because a lot of the social problems that they experience, could easily be solved if the state just dialed back the hatred a fraction, but nobody is going to do that.

  • The_Champsky [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    All this hysteria, just so they can thank the United States for destroying their countries and stealing their oil.

    What was that about the bourgeoisie respecting both your individual rights AND your property?

  • Heisenbear [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    This is misleading. As others have already pointed out; these children were probably seized by child protective services for reasons that apply to all Swedish families. Dunking on socdems is fun but going to the length of extrapolating such a ridiculous headline from a Twitter-thread with little context is dumb.