How should America be broken up in your opinion?
Imagining roving bands of militia wearing cheese heads, fighting against people larping as Vikings.
Fuck Ohio State is the only unifying ideology most of the midwest has.
You see a man, dying on the war torn street. You rush over to him quickly, to help him drawn his last breaths comfortably. You ask him why he was stabbed and shot so many times and left for dead. He can say a few words, but you hear among the groans, "THE Ohio state university." You kick his wounds as you leave disgusted.
Yeah, I want a Golden Horde conquering the American Steppe, but they will probably be too divided and complacent for that to happen. I will just have to enlist with the Cheese Pack.
I know it isnt midwest but whatever happens between alabama and auburn fans will end up being one of the most brutal conflicts in world history
lol , Mexico will give citizen ship to its Migrants in the Northern Waste , then Move in to protect them against the , at this point seriously seriously raging white hords ... , they will dig the great Northen Ditch , to stop the Raging Car-Tartar -Caravan from Approaching their peacfull settlements .... , slowly advancing their lines to the North ... , as Resitance by the White Hords are probably (judging by current trend) often times individualised , Prisoners can be used to approach Single Homes, that are suspected of beeing occupied by the Infamous "Lone Texans" Gunmans . Dress him in some triggering outfit , they would not get near enough to communicate he is a Honey pot . And once he shoot at your Honeypot prisoner , you just use artillery ... and you can use your artillery when ever you have it ready... as the "1 amendment guys" dont have a concept of "Moving positions" or "Units" ... so he will just stay right there in his home ...
Seriously 75% of the Raging Hordes casuslties whould proply be friendly fire as they approche each others Houses to plan....
the Car-Tartar is nothing once you seperate him from his Pickup Truck Chevy Mustang ,so the Ditch will stop him as well ...and you then can take him as prisoner as he did not plan on makeing his way back on foot through the Anglo-Waste and the village behind the ditch is probly a good Kilometer from the Ditch so he can not advance to it either .. so its a good strategy... and a Humane Strategy ... Resulting in prisoners that can then dig out further Ditches and scout out new Individual "Home is my Castle" positions...
Any further questions ?
a tartar with a car instead of a Horse , but the name is not Banging enough .. still establishing the Lore...
It is infinitely more likely the US has a military coup than a dissolution or balkanization. The majority of the population would cheer for it too.
A lot of people mention Texas going independent, but that would only happen if the most deranged racist elements of the state somehow wrestle control away from the banks, oil companies, and real estate investors to create a white ethnostate at the expense of financial capital. And having known these people my whole life, they refuse to organize anything beyond their front lawn. They're currently too comfortable to instigate a revolt and far too brainwormed to identify the enemies they'd have in an independence movement. They think an independent Texas means killing Californian transplants and Beto O'Rourke. It's far more likely these secessionists would get swept up in a more organized fascist movement spearheaded by capital, which has no interest in an independent Texas. Also creating a white ethnostate out of Texas would require coordinated expulsion or massacre of 2/3 of the state's population. Good luck.
Texas might go independent, but it'll be a de facto corporate kleptostate over decades rather than a formal secession. Eventually the Federal government won't be able to do things outside of maintaining the military bases.
Mexico has as much claim to those territories as the great satan. And of course it wont happen anyways cuz those states are filled with mayo people and, only counting the neckbeards, those regions have more weapons than all the mexican army, so it would probably work the other way and the recently balkanized states will join forces to turn anything south of the border into slave markets or maybe do some genocide as Manifest Destiny Revival.
But of course, this is all ridiculous cuz as long as the banks want the existence of something called "USA", the army will make sure it doesn't balkanize. Crakkkers, together, strong. Etc.
Plus, the Soviet Union broke up along ethnic lines. There is only one dominant ethnic group in the Great Satan: mayos, ranging from completely deranged to extremely deranged, and as I said, all the mayos want the persistence of the system that have them on top. So no, it won't happen.
the US isn't going to balkanise if it collapses it will more likely happen little by little in hard to notice ways as support systems people forgot were really important due to ideology crumble until one really big break eventually happens.
I think the western US would have to break off as one complete chunk because of water resources. Otherwise, you’d have a series of wars over water happening until it eventually comes back together. Also, given that the western US tends to have more Asian/Chinese influence than the rest of the US, and that China will be the sole superpower at that point, it seems that China might want the western US for its farm land, tech sector (including manufacturers like Boeing), and strategic location. It would likely exist as something like a semi-independent SSR and/or “special economic zone” under President John Cena than as a directly controlled and occupied territory.
The boomers in the southwestern suburbs would probably all die trying to recapture Los Angeles and China would have to spend a total of half a trillion dollars to keep them out
kind of sounds like all the CO river-dependent states would be best off becoming part of Mexico from that perspective.
Or a union of smaller nations with some kind of Western Hemisphere BRI linking them together, which would also be linked to Asia through a Bering Strait tunnel. This would also allow groups like the Navajo to have true self determination while maintaining economic ties with the wider region.
Should we really connect the americas to the old world by a tunnel? Just the chance of spreading disease alone makes it seem like a bad idea, same thing with trying to build a road or railway through the Darian Gap.
From what I understand, it would be a far more efficient and ecologically safe way to ship goods around the world vs cargo ships so would be a big step up as far as that is concerned. It would also probably make passenger travel around the world safer and cheaper than through airlines.
As far as spread of disease, I think that comes down to policy and enforcement more than mode of travel, since disease can spread just as quickly otherwise without proper precautions.
What you need to consider is that we SHOULDNT be shipping goods around the world, if a central committee had control of all industry treat production would halt immediately, economies would be forced to downscale and localize, there would be no need to transport treats across the globe.
What about food, medical supplies, building materials, batteries/solar panels, vaccines, computers, etc.? It’s not just treats that get shipped around the world, after all. I’m all in favor of localizing whatever is possible to localize (especially food), but I also don’t think completely rolling back globalization is realistic at this point without making things worse than they already are. Efficient global and local economic planning (which would include more efficient means of shipping goods) I think would be important for managing limited resources under climate change in a way that provides the best possible benefit for everyone.
Your concerns about food, medical supplies, building materials, batteries/solar panels, vaccines, computers, etc are entirely misplaced. Food is the quintessential product that should be produced locally, it could be produced more efficiently in an urban setting, the only reason food is shipped globally is capitalism made self sufficiency not profitable. Medical supplies require educated people more than it does resources, preventive care would reduce the need for many medicines, again can be produced locally in dense urban areas. Building materials is a funny one, we should be building to last forever, eventually we will reach a point where earth won't build another skyscraper because we won't need one. For lithium, that shit is less renewable than nuclear, not an actual solution for most places. Vaccines productions would fall under medicine. And computers, we use too much of them, they are not personal property. They should be owned communally, we should phase out the smart phone and personal computer, only a small select group of educated people should have access to the internet, the internet as we know it is bad and should be destroyed, instant communication is good but the state should have a monopoly on it, it should restrict it's use way more than China is currently doing, stop the spread of conspiracies and bad ideas for a start. It should be more a tool than an entertainment.
Efficient global planning would be a fleet of nuclear cargo ships that delivers much less cargo than ships currently deliver now, only the most essential things should be transported across the ocean. And what about planes? Even I think with a drastically reduced economy having a few of them would be good. Sometimes people or things do need to be on the other side of the earth, we must determine what thought. If there's anything you should take from this, it's that even if we had full control over the economy, we would have to scale back a lot of things you consider essential because they are just treats. The way we live now is unsustainable, we can guarantee food, shelter, and medicine for everyone but anything beyond the essential should be stopped, maybe we should just drug everyone who's unhappy about losing their treats?
Urban farming can be done on an industrial scale, just look at the Netherlands, and if we wanted to feed double the amount of people on this planet urban farming would be the only practical solution. And it wouldn't just be algae soylent green nutraloafs to eat, it would be a vegan diet that doesn't taste like literal shut. The less amount of time food spends in transit is less energy wasted.
Large tracts of land need to go back to nature, we need less farms, less industry, we need to persevere the environment since we rely on its existence for our existence. We need a mass exodus of the rural areas to the urban cores, people living in the densest spaces possible, it would solve most logistical issues and it would get people out of the way of climate change. We can't save every city from rising sea levels, water scarcity, etc, the best we can do is cut our losses and try to get people out of the danger.
Also I'm not an anprim or an ecofash. I'm not against technological development, I'm against private property first and foremost. Computers are a problem, people shouldn't own them in the same way you shouldn't own a car or a house. It should all be public property, not personal. We need more public computer labs, shared computers in residential buildings, computer kiosks on the street, government mandated smartphones that not everyone should have. Social media as it currently exists needs to die, our addiction to personal computers need to be checked not because I'm some anti technology ghoul but we aren't using them right.
That's actually why I think it will break apart. the US government will stop being able to control water allocation and the situation spirals into brushwars
The us stole more than 50% of mexico, largely to do more slavery and genocide: Cali, Texas, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah. No opinion on the rest of the op, just stating.
Almost all of that land "belonged" to Mexico because that's what the Europeans agreed on. Mexico had zero control over it. By any modern standard those territories were fully under control of nations like the Comanche.
If that was feasible, then I would call that preferable than being ruled by the Mexican federal goverment.
(Edit) actually its more feasible than you'd think. Many first nations ask leftist groups to do land acknowledgements. In a way, thats them telling any future workers councils that they call dibs.
All of it goes to me and I sell it to my friend, Slimy Joe, for drug money.
I would consider the possibility that millions of Americans will die if the US dissolves, much like the people who died from the dissolution of the USSR; except with racialized violence and pogroms against the vulnerable and scapegoats fabricated by the right and the state to explain the collapse.
much like the people who died from the dissolution of the USSR
how many people died, and of what?
The Mormon Caliphate, the People's Republic of Mexico, and the Islamic Republic of Iran would likely partition the US.
Even one faction breaking off of the US would likely cause the rest to unravel, there’d probably be one government claiming to be the real successor to the US per county within a week
The only factions in America are different competing sectors of capital. The masses have next to no input into how power is wielded and more than half don't even give it any thought. The closest thing we've had to civilian led independence movements in the past 50 years have been extremely small hippy communes, racist terrorist groups, and weird cults. For perspective, Jonestown was one of the bigger ones.
In an instance where the state can no longer exert its legitimacy, the only organizations I could see declaring themselves a successor state would be the military or Mormons.
what about forming the duchy of google and the earldom of apple in norcal? huh?
seems totally reasonable.
I'm honestly not too well aware of how much money they make or how integrated their money is with stock trading, banking, or real estate. I also think companies like Apple and Google rely upon the existence of American empire too much to want some kind of sovereign independence, unless they're somehow going to start financing their own military ventures into Africa or Central America.
Apple Soldiers arriving in Nigeria in iMac armor.
Also I'm just realizing some kind of independent tech country would have to subordinate themselves to China. So :sicko-blur:
oh i was thinking they'd basically devolve into subsistence-farming feudal states very quickly
with old burned out computers and phones in the McCastles instead of suits of armor.
Tech bros reduced to subsistence farming and claiming it's an innovation
Use the Mississippi and the Mason Dixon line and turn the land mass into an IRL political compass.
Based off of what socialists who live there have told me, Washington and Oregon becoming SSRs in the new USSR 2 would be really funny because they both have a ton of anarcho-libs
My weird take is if Mexico got back its territories Canada would for some reason give the US some of its land for being its ally for some reason.
I don't believe anything will make sense anymore.
canada - us border but the 49th parlell all the way from atlantic to pacific
How the fuck would that even work California, Texico, Arizona, Nuevo Mejeeco and OOOTah, and Colored have been thorougly Mayonaissed
