Um, sweetie, there are people dying in Ukraine. Please think about that before being selfish.
It feels like China is the only global superpower that gives a shit about climate change.
How bad do things have to get before China starts militarizing it's climate response to protect forests and reduce pollution? That is, invading countries that are not doing their part in working towards a global benefit.
edit: protecting the climate is a national security issue
Eastern China is in massive trouble. 93 million people there could be affected by sea level rise, according to this:
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2019-10-31/rising-sea-level-could-threaten-93-million-in-china-by-mid-century-study-101477575.html
God, not long at all I hope. Not to cheer on even more conflict but I'm 100000000000% convinced global north nations won't lift a damn finger to abet climate change unless China and co. force them to.
That said China is pretty committedly non-interventionist so who knows if they'd ever take a drastic step like that.
How close is continuing climate destruction to an attack on Chinese sovereignty?
I think its going to take the coordinated action of many third world nations to actually change anything about climate change. They're the places with the most to lose and whose exploitation is necessary to create hyper-profits driving climate change. I've been thinking a lot about the futures sketched out in Wainwright and Mann's Climate Leviathan. They're very skeptical of what they call "Climate Mao" because of authoritarianism and achieving Climate Mao would require a reorientation of the PRC, but I'm thinking more and more that it is the best hope .
I'm kinda optimistic on India too, not really because of CPIM or the Naxalites or whatever but because the reality of India, its place in the imperialist pecking order, and the needs of its people continually place it at odds with the West despite it being governed by a reactionary government.
Global powers may try not empowering extractive companies and comprador elites if they wish tô protect forests instead of invading countries
Global powers are the extractive companies. At least in the imperial core, they're all but one and the same. I don't want anyone anywhere to get hurt, at all. But the global south is suffering right now from climate change, on top of all the other legacies of imperialism and colonialism. If it takes them arming themselves and forcing global north governments to comply in order to protect their own people, so be it.
Yes, I left the foe vague because it is fucking everyone that aligns with and is under the thumb of American capital.
Ecofascism is allowing the poor to die while the rich are comfortable. This is what the status quo is doing. I am suggesting that someone might see intervention (there are many types) as the only viable option to make a change and disrupt the current trajectory and actually make a difference to cut extraction and environmental ruin in a timescale that is meaningful.
I think you misinterpreted me a little, I am not suggesting that China carpet bomb Rio de Janeiro.
What I do mean though, is that capitalist nations, through neoliberal imperialism, are the most extractive countries, and direct this extraction with global companies and supported through the local governments.
Other than complete destruction of a liveable earth, there is no motivation by these actors to change the status quo. It's serves them well.
China is in a unique position, as a powerhouse country that has a political will that is unburdened at least some extent from capitalist interference. They also are one of the few countries that sees long term. If they see a threat to their people, or sovereignty, or food supplies, or water, because of the deforestation or pollution from another country (sure, Brazil is a great example), do they mount action to overthrow a government and replace with a more environmentally friendly option?
I don't necessarily mean military conflict. but sanctions are war, supporting an internal revolt is suitable, cutting off trade routes -- if there is a need to protect the people in china (and also everywhere....) From total global food system collapse -- is violence justified?
I'm not suggesting eco fascism -- like, they're not demonizing a race or something, it would literally be going after capitalists and polluters.
China is the example because of the powerful position they are currently in.
Climate change will lead to wars for sure. The people who are questioning the Ukraine war are going to be even more desperate to understand how and why countries are going to war to protect vital resources that millions or even billions of people depend upon. This isn't a parallel to US wars for oil either, since that supply was never in actual danger, oil is a question of capitalist greed, we can live without oil but not without fresh water or food.
It wont be pretty and a lot of innocent people will suffer without having much of say over things.
Yet it seems absolutely unavoidable with the way things are going.
IIRC over 60-70% of China believes in climate science. Compare that to 30% of the US
Both of those numbers seem made up lol
Only 70% for China? :soviet-hmm:
In 2016 alone China installed more solar than the United States has in total capacity
I can't party at the end of the world because I already got disabled by the plague :deeper-sadness:
I can't either. My brain was broke at birth, and no-one wants to be around me.
I’d rather be around you than nearly anyone in my native Amerikkka, comrade
Me too, obvs, but we understand the world in a similar way, and that makes me feel closer to you than almost anyone else here in the totally normal Deep South.
I've just been trying to figure out how to support myself. :bear-despair:
Rough estimate, how much longer are things going to remain "normal", 2030?
The second tweet in the thread says as much:
Humanity will struggle to adapt to the Pliocene*-like temperatures and rainfall of a new, hostile climate by the 2030s/2040s.
Let me rephrase it better, when will climate change hurt anglo countries enough for people to notice? I know the global south is already feeling the effects but right now westerners do not give a shit and life still goes on relatively normal.
heck of a question here's two annoying possible answers: (1) people in Anglo countries already do notice but they are either actually helpless or are in learned helplessness. (2) people might still think everything's normal when they're living in nuclear-air-conditioned hives and everyone in Bangladesh has drowned. Humans are adaptable and very good at denial.
Things in the global north might get so hairy that things fall apart entirely (and, again, from a historical perspective it looks a lot like this is already happening) or people might take an incredible hit to their material conditions if the alternative is dying like in the global south, i dunno. looks bad
my out-of-the-ass answer is that materially comfortable people at or near retirement age are only going to get interested when their access to treats and services are limited. if they recognize the connection to climate change or even engage with any non-hegemonic discourse about why is anyone's guess.
for younger working people, I can only imagine there will be a crescendo of alienation from being denied a future despite being expected to work in a meaningless job. gas/energy prices rising while temperates become increasingly variable/unstable compared to historic norma, crop failures/food shortages, unprecedented floods overwhelming decaying infrastructure disrupting regional logistics and exacerbating internal migration dumping gas on the housing crisis.
my gut says before 2030 we're going to have a 3 week heat wave and grid blackout that kills a million people in the PNW or the great lakes or east Texas.
When the treats stop flowing, at which point they will turn to fascism. That heat dome in the PNW last year killed 1000 people. Every year, towns in California burn to ash. Nobody cares.
NOBODY COULE HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMIIIING :BLEEDING-FROM-MOUTH
There’s work to do. If you are able to, start tomorrow. If not, schedule it later this week. Here’s the deal. You need to get to know your neighbors. You need to form mutual aid societies. No, these are not inherently revolutionary structures. But they help you pool resources and will increase the number of people in your direct vicinity who will survive the next 50 years. And you can leverage the networks they create to organize revolutionary action as conditions worsen. Harm reduction is necessary because you can’t get better if you’re dead.
This starts with your first conversation. Reach out to someone tomorrow who you could see organizing with and have a conversation. What is wrong with your area? What frustrates them? Collectivize the issues. “You’re not alone”, “I’ve had issues with that too”, etc. Pick one thing you’re passionate about and figure what the minimal amount of work would be to get a basic solution working would be. Ask here if you don’t have any orgs in your area and need advice.
Ask here if you don’t have any orgs in your area and need advice.
I don't have any orgs in my area and could use some advice.
what do i do if i have social anxiety and also all my neighbors stay inside all day or are at work
I had to stop reading climate science and, well, just too much climate news about two years ago. It fuckin destroyed my mental health. It's really goddamn sad and probably the most helpless I've ever felt while also giving me an overwhelming sense of dread.
I'm mentally better now but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't all still weigh on me from time to time. It's really just so shitty and wild how consistently every year there is quite a handful of really major and unprecedented climate events and they always get brushed to the side shortly after it happens. There is hardly ever meaningful discussion about it unless you actively follow climate scientists or activists. And most of them are also at their wits end, they've very sounding alarms for decades now.
Shit fuckin sucks, it's not even about reversing or preventing the effects of climate change anymore, now its all just mitigation for how bad its becoming. Half the goddamn country doesn't even think its real and the other half says its real and that's damn near the full extent of it for them. There is just so few people gloablly who actually give a shit and even fewer who have the power to do anything. The biggest contributors are the last ones who will change too.
Alright I'm sounding doomery and I didn't wanna do that. There just isn't many ways to vent about this stuff sometimes, and I gotta let it out every now and then. I'll end and say there are more productive ways to use this type of dispar but sometimes you just gotta talk some shit
Only a handful of states are going to be inhabitable within the near future.
Unironically yes!
I've been thinking a lot about where I want to live that's safe from climate catastrophe lately. New England or the Great Lakes seem to be the safest bet.
Appalachia will be alright too, real hot, but the mountains hold tons of natural reservoirs, there are like 50 giant state parks and nature reserves along it, there are several well forded and marked hiking trails (Mountain to Sea, Appalachian Trail) as well as the Blue Ridge the parkway.
The region is also full of old coal rail lines that can be repurposed and most of it is technically a rainforest, so lots of fresh water to keep the reservoirs going.
Biggest worry is a wildfire in one of the parks that gets out of control.
Eyepatch Bernie will save us right until the collapse of the Gulf Stream leads to a blizzard induced mass casualty event
At least the snowbirds and gusanos are fucked. Feel bad for everyone else in Florida though.
How the fuck are people still having kids? The world is fucking ending. It's cruel.
