love to see outlets do the nazis anti communism and myths for them. that's true solidarity right there guys. the 3 guys left alive from Azov after yesterday salute you
Even the fucking wiki article on it and also the one over the question of 'was it genocide' at least acknowledge that it may well not have been (and we all know how wiki is basically 'Neoliberalism: the glorification')
I'm guessing this video does not have such pretenses
Even the wiki article doesn't try the ridiculous stunt of faulting the nomenclature while skirting intent ('it's not genocide because it's *******cide instead!')
I wasn't really saying it was a victory that wiki wasn't just outright claiming it was a genocide, more bemoaning that things seem to be going lower in recent days vis a vis recoloring actions of the Soviet Union in decades past, using the current war as an excuse to remove memorials to/for the USSR, etc
I'll say this about neoliberals: I find them much easier to talk to than many other reddit libs. While the conclusions they eventaully arrive at I of course disagree with, they aren't the same as other libs that make emotional arguments based off mainstream political news which they consume like pop culture. I recall a r/neoliberal effortpost about the camps in Xinjiang which pretty also states that while there is very large discrimination in how they select people for re-education camps - there isn't much evidence for genocide or abuses outside of that
The video description is "It was a genocide that Russia continues to cover up to this day"
So no
the 3 guys left alive from Azov after yesterday
Did I miss some good news?
Azov basically no longer exists as a force. they got deleted by Russian rockets and infantry in a last stand
They don't believe Stalin cared about people and was evil bad man as bad (or worse?) than Hitler. Even liberals who can accept that some welfare good think the USSR was literally the Empire from star wars.
The liberal line is that Hitler is a smart evil guy, like he do evil stuff with a plan and with clear goal. Meanwhile, Stalin is basically a psychopath, a beast who just kill people for literally no reason besides the fact that he's just evil.
Expanding this point, this is basically how libs view fascism and communism. Fascists are evil, but they're also smart, disciplined, efficient, clean, et cetera. I mean look how libs mocks fascism nowadays with shit like r/beholdthemasterrace, like the whole bit is that modern fascists sucks because they failed to live up to the level of well-dressed sociopathy of past fascists. Libs actually puts fascists on a fucking pedestal.
Meanwhile, look at how libs see communists. Stupid, uncultured, drunk, dirty, jealous, half-starved. Unlike the cool fascists who took over with high IQ manipulation, us commies are just a bunch of middle class losers jealous of the rich and beautiful so we tricked the barely-sapient proles into taking down the ruling class with sheer brute force. Fascist regime are well ordered and sterile, while communist regimes are run-down, always a mere minutes away from collapse. Fascist leaders are scary but they actually lives up to their ideals, while communist leaders are weaklings hiding behind their dumb lackeys who are hypocrites that doesn't live up to socialist ideals.
Liberals dislikes fascism, and HATES communism
https://ia601606.us.archive.org/28/items/DouglasTottleFraudFamineAndFascism/Douglas%20Tottle%20-%20Fraud,%20Famine%20and%20Fascism_text.pdf
Fraud, Famine, and Fascism by Douglas Tottle. This covers the entire history of the Holodomor myth from its invention in the American yellow journalism of the 30s through to the revived cold war of the 80s when this was published
Hearst ran a 1921 photo from the Volga famine in his papers as if it were 1930s Ukraine
My history teacher went over the famine yesterday and said that he was pretty sure that “most Americans are unaware of it” like the entire country hasn’t been raised with the belief that communism means no food
I'd still say most people don't know it by name, but the vague idea of communist starvation persists. remember, most US history classes are garbage even at teaching propogandized facts.
History classes will show a black-and-white photo of a breadline and barefoot children, as if there wasn’t an economic crisis happening in the US at the same time the holodomor was supposed to be happening
notice how the dustbowl is always just kinda brushed over like it wasn't one of the worst things to have ever happened.
Can you imagine how long it took to vacuum? Boy howdy what a mess chuckles anyway lemme tell you about D-Day
It's really funny how libs and conservatives believe communists simply don't know about these things. I've seen so many random dudes on Twitter condescendingly telling commited and clearly educated communists to "google Holodomor" or "read about the gulags", as if it's possible to learn about communism without coming across that stuff.
"Kids these days just don't know about the crimes of communism" IT'S LITERALLY THE ONE THING EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT COMMUNISM SHUT THE FUCK UP :agony-consuming:
The more they push holodomor the more people will learn that it's nonsense. It has been a way into the left for many as realising certain things are nonsense is what softens people to learning more about what MLs believe.
It is one of the pieces of propaganda that I genuinely believe helps rather than hinders us. Just keep pointing out it's literally nazi propaganda that they are uncritically repeating and keep explaining the truth.
The more they push holodomor the more people will learn that it’s nonsense.
Considering it’s still a talking point today proves this theory wrong
Each and every person that learns that it is nonsense ends up going down the road of radicalisation though.
It is one of the easiest pieces of propaganda to counter because it was literally started by nazis and they never ever bring this up. As soon as they learn this the whole things starts unravelling as they recognise that they've been misled.
It's way better for them to propagandise Uighurs or some shit because it's simply harder to counter. When stuff is hard to counter it doesn't produce more marxists, when stuff is easy to counter it produces more marxists.
Bad propaganda is counter productive.
They will learn it's nonsense if the information is there when they're ready to see it.
We should have a wiki with links to videos, books, articles, etc to debunk all these things since wikipedia sucks. I usually use hexbear search but sometimes there are no sources cited, like yesterday I searched for Saddam gassing the kurds and found that the US assisted him (!) from a hexbear post but naturally I would like to cite this to people and the post has no sources.
(umm post by @Mrtryfe https://hexbear.net/post/177529/comment/2202007 but search for kurds down...the link feature is broken or something)
Also of note:
In the early 1970s, Iraq nationalized U.S. petroleum interests and partnered with the Soviet Union to develop its oil capacity. U.S. officials covertly equipped Kurdish rebels in order to weaken the Iraqi government. Although Iraq neutralized the Kurdish problem through diplomacy with Iran, it criticized foreign powers that backed the Kurds and it displayed renewed anti-U.S. tendencies in its approach to Arab-Israeli issues in the late 1970s.
I knew that Rumsfeld bit from the Defiance, Ohio song "Tanks, tanks, tanks"
Tag @Archivist on posts that should be reviewed for consideration and preservation. They are not a bot, so won’t repost everything.
Liberals don’t disbelieve anything the media tells them about bad stuff happening in other countries. Their so scared of being on the wrong side of history he just swallow anything and don’t risk doubting it. I once asked a liberal if they would believe the media if the claimed Andorra was genociding umpalumpas and they said “yeah sure, don’t want to be a denialist”.
Vox should research the Joelodomor if they want to understand how man-made famines work
The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933 by MB Tauger. You libs should read this.
here is the full book for anyone curious https://stalinsocietypk.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/another-view-of-stalin1.pdf
a kazakh was in the comments saying "we got genocided too!" so they couldn't have even bothered some kind of half assed "Stalin kills all minorities" narrative... nah just the white folks starved and only specifically the Ukrainian ones
Churchill starved Indians intentionally during WW2 and nobody in the west acknowledges it. Bring it up on :reddit-logo: and Churchill stans eat you.
The timing is definitely on purpose. Vox saw that Ukraine was "Trending" and decided to upload a video in order to ride the coattails.
How is this propaganda still around when historians (not doing capitalism apologia) have unanimously come to the conclusion that the holomodor was not a deliberate killing? Like, Jesus Christ, you don't even have to like Stalin to realize that this is just cold war remnant bullshit. Did Stalin just starve as many people as he could for the lolz? Was it like a competition with hitler or something to see who could have the highest kill count?
I HATE LIBERALS
Holodomor: killed about 3 million people, initial scarcity was due to natural causes, famine was not intentionally caused, but exacerbated by the soviet government exporting grain to finance industrialization
Bengal famine: killed about 3 million people, initial scarcity was due to natural causes, famine was not intentionally caused, but exacerbated by the british government exporting grain to stockpile and feed the troops
The difference, as far as I know, is the Bengal famine wasn't preceded by crop-burning and Stalin didn't call ukrainians "beastly people" that "breed like rabbits".
Guess which one is known as a "man-made famine" and "genocide" and compared to the Holocaust. Fucking guess. :sus-torment:
