My understanding is that they believe it's historically accurate. the thinking goes thus:
Cavemen were big and strong
I want to be big and strong
Cavemen in my cartoons eat only meat
If I ate only meat, I'd be big and strong like them
yeah it's just worth bringing up as it's the link between caveman cool and "I should only eat meat"
Iirc, that’s an average. If you managed to survive the intense infant/child mortality rate, you could have a life expectancy more comparable to today
Even if you managed to survive childhood, you'd still probably die before 60
Post-childhood life expectancy from the paleolithic until the late 20th century was around 60 years.
That still includes accidents though. Like you'll live healthily into your 70s, but every year there's a 1% chance that you're stepped on by a mammoth or whatever, so on average you don't make it there.
You become a predator. An alpha. A shark.
Sheep eat plants. Lions, tigers, wolves eat meat. That's what they wanna see themselves as, I assume.
It's probably the same reason so many of them have a fetish for camo and military gear, they wanna feel dangerous. It's pretty fuckin' stupid.
Feels like an intersection behind bro-science keto, toxic masculinity, and pure contrarianism. Maybe not every carnie hits all three notes, but it feels like they usually hit at least two.
Ketosis is obviously real, and I think the keto diet is even situationally useful, but it feel like the latest fad, with bro-science all over places like :reddit-logo: telling you how its the best thing to cure all your woes, trust us bro!
Toxic masculinity because well I'm a hunter, I crave meat! Meat makes the man! Women crave chocolate, men crave meat! Even some women get clipped by this, in an effort to be 'not like other girls'.
And the contrarianism just feel to me like those 'funny' bumper stickers saying stuff like 'for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three!!!' Its the same shit of people rolling coal in response to dire warnings about climate changes. They will spend money to make their cars perform worse and burn gasoline faster, just to 'own the libs'. It doesn't matter that they're harming themselves, if they can stick it to the opposition.
I’m a hunter, I crave meat!
Which is funny because 99% of the time they're just going to the supermarket and buying a clean mass of meat that's already been murdered, cleaned, and processed for them then wrapped securely in plastic and foam.
Many are probably just contrarian chuds who don't do it for health, but I guess it's also the "carbs are evil" style of fad dieting taken to it's most extreme.
I remember reading a comment on the carnivore :reddit-logo: where somebody said they believed that a carnivore diet was better for their own health, better for the environment, and led to fewer animals dying.
No idea what their rationale was
if you count all the bugs that die when harvesting crops it is more than the cows that die. i am very smart.
Yup, very funny when people try to justify meat by going, "But what about all the bugs, rodents, etc that die during farming?" Like motherfucker, you're suggesting we should kill all of those and bigger animals also. It's not one or the other. It's one or both.
In the case of beef production, it requires like 30x the farmland as just crops for human consumption when you factor in feed crop, so it's not even close.
On the health side, I think some people probably do see some short-term benefit from a carnivore diet because it's essentially a very strict elimination diet, so if they have something in their regular diet that causes them irritation (which is pretty common), there's a good chance it'll be eliminated. Plus some amount of placebo effect.
It's not really a good justification because there's no reason your elimination diet should be meat only. Plus when you do an elimination diet the idea is to then gradually reintroduce foods to discover which ones are causing irritation. So it's more like they're misattributing the benefit of cutting out some specific food that they have a reaction to
High protein diets of any kind are easy to lose weight on and people who do so often become evangelists.
Ketosis works for burning fat, but long term such diets are rarely followed. Humans are omnivores and are highly adapted and motivated to search out and eat a variety of foods.
Extreme diets like the fruitarian diets and the various all meat/milk/egg diets out there come and go as fads, but they don't ever find really large groups of people practicing them for any significant amount of time.
I don't think so, I think it is just vice signalling.
"Look at how conformist I am for eating JUST meat. I am so hardcore!"
I feel like this diet fad is different from nearly all others. These "all meat diet" psychos are low key psychopaths. The kind of people who pursue personal development and actualization because they are solipsistic ego monsters.
They're Francis Dolarhyde, eating the same diet as a tiger in preparation for the great becoming.
I have, over the years, done keto and OMAD keto. That being said I NEVER went the "all meat" route. Sure in these diets you usually do eat a good amount of meat but there are sources of fat and protein that doesn't have you eating steak and sausage for every meal. Those ppl are crazy and either doing it because stupid chuds see themselves as "big strong alpha hunter cavemen who only eat meat" or just reactionary "lol look at me owning vegans gotta support the meat industry." Like those dudes that "roll coal" to spite people that drive low/no emission vehicles.
Even on keto I eat lots of low carb high fiber vegetables. Salads make up a good portion of my meals then I add protein and fats too that. I also ferment a shit ton of sauerkrauts cause I love that shit.
The big thing for me is the science behind carbs and insulin and how insulin basically shuts down your body from pulling and burning your fat stores. I also have a strong genetic disposition to diabetes t2 and was at one point prediabetic. Keto and OMAD fixed that. I have even gotten in to periodic multi-day fasting as well and have done a few 6+ day fasts. I can definitely say being fat adapted for a few weeks then doing a fast makes the fast soooo much more tolerable. It actually makes the fast so much easier that I'd say I'm all the 2-3 weeks minimum of ketosis beforehand is more difficult to maintain than the actual fast. The fast I have tried without being fully fat adapted beforehand were much more difficult and my hunger was much, much worse initially.
This all being said my goal is to get a healthy weight and lifestyle of exercise and diet then not do so much keto anymore but maintain lower levels of carbs and mainly healthy natural carbs from high fiber sources like beans and whole grains. I have just never successfully been able to loose weight without keto. But I fucking love beans and potatoes. They are my biggest weakness. Even trying to ferment beans now so I can add them to my diet with less of a carb impact. I doubt I'll ever be vegan but I would like to do several vegetarian days of the week.
As for the dietary distress questions I can't answer. I have never had that as I still eat plenty of vegetables and also probiotic fermented foods. All carnivore diets are stupid and even from a lot of the keto community seen as extremists because there's no real reason to do it. Vegetables are good. It's just some not so much.
Also, a side note for fasting. If you ever want to "eat more of something," fast for 5+ days then when you begin refeeding start with those things. I did this with salads and a little bit of fermented foods and it was all I wanted to eat for like 4 months. Even after that time period when I get real hungry I just imagine chomping down of a crunchy salad. It's basically a reset for your gut Flora and whatever you want is what it resets it with.
I mean your average chud actively goes out their way to be ignorant, which obviously is not the same at all as a lack of intelligence.
I think perhaps after years of this they're really basically uncomfortable with metaphors or whatever so when they see all this lion among the sheep or lone wolf bullshit they kinda figure they need to be carnivores.
looking forward to them deciding to live in the woods and hunt sheep with their bare hands
They're still a buncha chumps who are so broken they're incapable of forming anything but parasocial relationships with ppl like Peterson etc. They aren't gonna go that far away from a wifi hotspot sadly.
I think it's the rebirth of Atkins diet. Where you don't eat carbs for weight loss.
I used to be like this ten years ago and I actively cringe when I think of the conversations with veg friends "I think that eating vegetarian for the environment is good, but eating for the animals is stupid".
:deeper-sadness:
I'm vegan now. Hopefully your friends will grow up too.
yeah soda tastes pretty bad when you haven't had it in a while. tastes very artificial and sugary. you can push through it though.
oh yeah for sure, i've done it twice though :yea:
trying to quit for the third time now. it's garbage nutritionally and it doesn't even taste that great.I had a similar thing with fast food and have resolved that it's not healthy enough to make myself eat
Relevant episode of the pod :citations-needed:
short answer is entirely performative machismo and (white) supremacist, dominionist beliefs
