There were reports of people taking off their masks in flight the second they found out
Porky is going to sacrifice these people for the line and they're happy about it.
I would be absolutely livid if they anounced that while we were flying and people took off their masks during the flight. like I do so much risk analysis in my life because of this shit, and i understand there is a lot outside of my control, but jesus that is so unecessary.
"if"?
i was flying yesterday when it happened. people clapped and cheered. not everyone, but a few vocal ones, like when your plane has been delayed at the gate for an hour after boarding and finally the pilot announcing you'll be taking off.
and yes, everyone (including myself) immediately removed their masks. i got omicron a few months back and am triple vaxxed so i am not at risk of spreading or catching covid, and it's much more comfortable without one.
anyone who hasn't gotten it should keep their masks on tbh but where i am pretty much everyone got omicron so i'm not surprised no one masks up anymore
i am not at risk of spreading or catching covid,
I hate to tell you this, but that isn't how this works
It is absolutely how it works.
“There are reinfections, but it is unlikely that -- if you mounted a good immune response -- at least over a period of several months, it is extremely unlikely that you will be reinfected with the same variant,” Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said in a press briefing on Friday.
If you factor in various other factors such as my vaccination plus booster, and the fact that I showed quite a bit of resistance to omicron even before getting it (took a week of habitation with an infected person before it got past my immune system), the risk of my catching and then spreading it is so utterly small that it is effectively none when it comes to risk management decisions. If I were that risk averse, I simply wouldn't travel by plane or car anyway.
Masks protect others from catching the virus from you, wearing one below a well fitted and properly used n95 only provides minimal protection for yourself
What would you estimate the probability of me having symptomless covid and spreading it to someone, given the reinfection rate for omicron among vaccinated people who've had it and had an immune response to it within the past several months?
Just a ballpark number, I'm legitimately curious of what kind of risk you are assigning to this
and yes, everyone (including myself) immediately removed their masks. i got omicron a few months back and am triple vaxxed so i am not at risk of spreading or catching covid, and it’s much more comfortable without one.
Holy shit no. Leave your fucking mask on. You absolutely can spread and catch covid still.
I'll repeat from my other comment:
What would you estimate the probability of me having symptomless covid and spreading it to someone, given the reinfection rate for omicron among vaccinated people who’ve had it and had an immune response to it within the past several months?
Just a ballpark number, I’m legitimately curious of what kind of risk you are assigning to this
What would you estimate the probability of me having symptomless covid and spreading it to someone
Too high. Just wear a fucking mask it takes literally no effort and doesn't negatively affect you in any meaningful way.
How high is too high?
Would you say it's higher than the chance of someone being harmed as a result of a car trip, either instead of the plane ride or during the rides to/from the airport?
None of those things are contagious. It's not just the chance of you getting it, but spreading it to others.
Again, it takes literally no effort and doesn't negatively affect you in any meaningful way.
Masks are uncomfortable, especially if you have skin conditions, and especially if you have to wear them during travel times that have ranged up to 25 hours in the past year for me.
I just don't want to. Just like I would be reducing the risk of killing other people by walking 4 hours with my luggage to the Amtrack station and then taking a 2.5 day train ride vs ubering to the airport and taking a 5 hour flight. But I don't really want to.
So no, I don't really care about changing a one in a hundred million chance of infecting someone into a one in a million chance. And given the rates of covid illness being more than a cold, we're closer to one in a billion. The numbers would be different if I didn't have vax or natural immunities.
And yes, you have my permission to absolutely stay mad about it. 💅 I hope you understand how comically alienating you fellas are to the working class. 💪
Bro if you fly that much, you are the one who is alienated from the working class, lol. You're probably some consultant or manager dipshit, and in the event you are actually like, a high skill welder or something, your experience of frequent traveling is incredibly alienated from the average worker. Shits not a commute, it's an event.
Masks are uncomfortable, especially if you have skin conditions, and especially if you have to wear them during travel times that have ranged up to 25 hours in the past year for me. I just don’t want to.
Holy shit get over yourself. Masks aren't that uncomfortable.
Just like I would be reducing the risk of killing other people by walking 4 hours with my luggage to the Amtrack station and then taking a 2.5 day train ride vs ubering to the airport and taking a 5 hour flight. But I don’t really want to.
Ahh yes, 2 and a half days in an enclosed metal tube with other people, definitely safer than 5 hours in an enclosed metal tube with other people. Plus obviously walking 4 hours is not a feasible form of transport.
So no, I don’t really care about changing a one in a hundred million chance of infecting someone into a one in a million chance. And given the rates of covid illness being more than a cold, we’re closer to one in a billion.
And yes, you have my permission to absolutely stay mad about it. 💅 I hope you understand how comically alienating you fellas are to the working class. 💪
Ok you're just some dumbass troll.
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I would much rather have airplanes operate on the simplest, most straightforward technology possible instead if anything sold by companies with stringently proprietary firmware that could suddenly disappear
A lot of airplanes still take floppy discs for updates, by god keep it that way
Unfortunately we get the worst of all worlds usually. My background is largely with these kinds of legacy systems (across many industries), I've dealt with the mainframes that airlines and flight GDS like Sabre and Apollo still run on to this day... It's still riddled with bugs in stuff that can't really be modified for reasons, it's just that we figure we know most of them by now and none of them should bring a plane down or anything. There are some planes in the air with archaic interfaces where the operators just need to know not to do certain things too close together with the hardware controls because it might cause inconsistent states that lead to problems - though nothing that should bring down an airplane, but everyone's always thought that and then Air Disasters and shit still have new material...
It's not a real flight if you haven't complained about the flight computer. Once a week usually you get to do the "how in the goddamn fuck does this motherfucking piece of shit work god fucking damnit". Usually it's with the newer FOs
imagine being on a flight and the XP shutdown noise plays over the intercom as the engines go silent
Older doesn't mean better. There are things that have improved in the software industry just like there are things that got worse. Industries do learn from mistakes.
I know, I just hate an irrational hatred of stuff like modern browsers, websites, and cell phones for how much worse at basic tasks they seem than prior tech. I also once had a job where the only way to punch in was through a phone app that never worked and I'll always be pissed off
I curse Microsoft every day when I'm using one of my Windows computers. I get into 10 second fits of rage every time my computer freezes. I could probably get an IT job without any training just based on how much I've had to mess with Windows to make it useable.
Garmin makes more modern flight computers, but those are usually relegated to general and corporate aviation
Airbus is also slightly ahead of the game in this regard
Keep in mind aircraft electronics like that was the absolute cutting edge when it was new. As soon as it was practically possible to do stuff like that they did. They are also extremely extensively tested to the point it's a bit insane and all this testing needs to be done for any replacements.
It's to the point some of the basic performance calculations for older aircraft are still done on special purpose slide rules because it's easier than doing it by hand and it would be too expensive to do all the testing for a program that does it on the flight computer.
I give it a month or so before having COVID is no longer a valid excuse to not show up to fly the plane.
tendency to hide mental illness
Well that's the FAA's arcane regulations stuck in the Victorian Era in terms of mental health. Basically if you've been sad once that means you're gonna do a pilot suicide to them and they force you to go through the Special Issuance process that, if you're lucky, will take about a year or so to finish. Same goes if you're taking any meds to help, and if you are they better be the three (yes, 3) drugs that the FAA approves for usage due to psychological issues. This is of course a pain in the fucking ass which is why everybody and their mother hides it. Hell that's what I do. What's deeply ironic is that almost all pilots love to fly and won't shut up about it, so it actually serves as a makeshift treatment. Cutting them off would be a wrecking ball right through their mental wellbeing. Then again, the FAA isn't known for making sense.
Also porky flies corporate not commercial, where pilots tend to be paid more and can be subject to stricter rules if the client so desires.
People reccomend doing the same thing with the military, if you can keep your shit together well enough to pass. lots of people self medicating in their off hours and keeping it on the DL until they wrap their car around a tree.
Wait doesn't the FAA have access to all kinds of medical records?
Any way that could come back to bite someone in the ass, such as taking a medication that's not on that very short approved list? Asking for a friend
There's a saying in aviation: You've got three people. Your doctor, your psychiatrist, and your aviation medical doctor. Your goal is to make sure the three of them never meet.
Don't use an AME that has a connection with the healthcare org you usually use, ideally they would have barely any records of you. Go to an entirely different area if possible. It's a hassle but taking precautions can only ever help you. These orgs rarely ever intercommunicate, it's up to you to disclose to them what you're taking. They will do a urine test, but the security from my experience is nonexistent. You could just do the classic sneaking in your friend's piss or, if whatever you take leaves your system fairly quickly, just pause it a day or two before your appointment (of course only if you're absolutely sure it won't have a detrimental impact on your wellbeing). If you work at the airlines though they will do their own drug tests, and chances are you're gonna have to be creative about workarounds. Fortunately the test they use never actually picks up my meds, nor do I believe that they are supposed to detect anything other than the standard illicit fare like cocaine and heroin. I'm not exactly an expert on cheating drug tests though, there's people who can explain it much better than me probably.
The only way they could possibly find out is if the totally random doctor somehow got their hands on your medical record from a different org (that they won't know has your record), if somebody snitches on you, or if the FAA gets a court to subpoena it for some reason, which would only happen in the event of some major fiasco.
If at some point in the future they come up with an integrated medical records system (unlikely considering the state of this country) then yeah. But that's just speculation and if that did happen, about half the community who are 100% concealing some sort of meds (read toxicology reports from the NTSB, almost every single pilot had some sort of drug in their system they didn't report taking) from the FAA are gonna be in hot water, which will definitely lead to public backlash. Frankly it's more likely that they actually progress on these issues than the aforementioned scenario.
Adding onto what I said, it's absolutely awful that pilots have to do this. People have given up on their dreams because of these archaic rules. Sending unconditional love and support for anybody trying to navigate this bureaucratic disaster of a system :ancom-heart:
Flying petri dishes mixing strains from all corners of the US of A to create the mightiest :covid-cool: in existence.
the chosen one, the one the rich can't pump enough antiviral to survive :shrek-blob:
YOU MAY BE THE HERO PILOTreads like a poorly-translated endgame screen from the 80sWhat was the one from the end of the ghostbusters game?
CONGRATULATION! YOU HAVE COMPLETED A GREAT PADNEMICK .AND PROOVED THE JUSTICE OF OUR CULTUREI thought it was one of those cryptographical tactics where you sandwich the actual message in garbage words to throw off decryption.
Why the fuck weren’t we wearing masks on planes and trains and busses this whole fucking time? I’ve gotten sick less than half as often as I normally do since the pandemic started. Why are Americans such fucking babies
How long until the west and the east are banned from interacting with each other in person at all?
As boomers will say: "But I DUN WANNA!" Also, boomer men are too insecure in their masculinity to look like they have more than one brain cell.
Taking basic safety precautions = Living in fear
Fear = Unmanly
I'm the box around the letter on the top-right of the keyboard
Because I too have E inside me :trans-specter:
We already know this doesn’t work! Britain is getting rocked because they did this!
I think we're going to get lucky with covid variants becoming more contagious but less deadly. Already the daily mortality is half what it was in the beginning.
But we will not stay lucky with every epidemic to come. Probably within the next 10 years we will see something that makes Covid-19 seem like child's play.
Death rates are down because most people are vaccinated now, or have already had it and survived. That doesn’t mean it’s less deadly, and there’s no reason to believe it won’t become even deadlier later on. Plus the huge percentage of people who are disabled by it.
Death rates are down because most people are vaccinated now
Exactly. Even the much-touted "mild" Omicron has the same mortality risk as the original strain on those unvaccinated. People forget that Delta was worse than the original virus, and Omicron simply reverted to our previous level of deadliness. We are unfortunately seeing no signs of an true lessening of lethality.
There's no lasting immunity. Maybe we get more-contagious-same-mortality for five years, then in year six we hit the jackpot mutation that gives us a double digit death rate. We won't know until people start dying because there'll be no precautions or monitoring anymore. This is a ticking time bomb we've let out into society. It might tick for longer than we expect but it's not gonna defuse itself.
Because it's largely a function of how many CAFOs we have. Industrial agriculture provides both a breeding ground for contagious and/or deadly livestock diseases and a substantial interface to jump to humans.
With meat demand worldwide going up, and CAFOs meeting most of that demand, pandemics are only going to become more frequent. Covid is related to SARS. It's not a fluke- or rather, the sort of thing that used to be a fluke is now a regularity.
The best-case scenario is that the countries that pulled off zero-covid take a small hit and everyone else collapses.
I think U.S needs a new virus :posadist-nuke: (in a bibeo game 100% sarcasm)
So, I have a lot of libs in my community, and a lot of them act like wearing masks is noble and they enjoy doing it. Not me though, the instant I put the mask on my face turns into a puddle of sweat and the mask becomes hard to breathe through. I hate it.
Do we need to do entryism into 4chan or facebook? Because at this point, the average person would trust a shitposter on /pol/ than believe anything a medical journal would say about COVID.
Go on facebook and claim that the covid denial "muh freedoms" crowd was specifically marketed towards white people to thin them out or some shit. Throw Qanon in there too, For good measure.
I’ll be honest, I’m kinda surprised they went with “covid is fake and you should ignore it” and not “covid is real and it’s a tool of white genocide”
Well, it's because American facism is alot like German facism, but somehow, even stupider.
