• LeninsRage [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    CPRF stop being shit ass nationalists debasing a corpse challenge (Difficulty: Impossible)

    • TankGirl [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Yeltsin murdered all of the ones who weren't shit ass.

      • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        It's crazy that one Spetznaz officer could have arrested/put-a-bullet-in Yeltsin and Soviet Russia would still exist.

        • InternetLefty [he/him]
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          I think that you are probably not seeing that the change that occurred around the fall of the Soviet Union as we knew it was a product of a class movement internal to the Soviet Union. It was a reestablishment of the national bourgeoisie, enfranchised by the imperialist bourgeoise, both of which Yeltsin served as a kind of avatar for. It might have changed the conflict but the problems that caused it ran much deeper than the death of one individual could solely fix. Now perhaps there was an existing, educated and empowered political class of workers that was sufficient to reconciling the conflict in their favor? That's what would have been required.

          Maybe Yeltsin's death would have given the proletariat some breathing room and allowed real socialists to grip their reigns a bit tighter, but who knows?

          • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            Now perhaps there was an existing, educated and empowered political class of workers that was sufficient to reconciling the conflict in their favor? That’s what would have been required.

            Here's a question for that though: How in the hell did The Soviet Union of all places lack, or lose such a thing?

            • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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              2 years ago

              For about the same reason Western labour movement in 80s was unable to do anything - they thought they already won and became complacent.

            • kristina [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              Here’s a question for that though: How in the hell did The Soviet Union of all places lack, or lose such a thing?

              Long term rot. I really like Xi Xinping's take on this in the Governance of China, Khrushev's repudiation of Stalin and a focus on the party's failures instead of a focusing on how the party learned and rectified inevitable mistakes caused an ideological rot. In contrast, Xi says Deng's reforms did not throw the rest of the party under the bus, and instead strengthened it.

              I feel like this is pretty applicable to what happened in Czechoslovakia too. People were quick to blame Stalin for all the country's woes. However, without Stalin and the Red Army our culture wouldn't even exist anymore. So by giving credence to the idea that Stalin was the problem, you also give an opening for people saying 'ah the Nazis weren't that bad' or 'maybe the West isn't wrong' by default which is why you have such a worship of fascist leaders in many post-Soviet states.

          • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            There were undoubtedly internal contradictions that would have continued to plague the country, but the failure to capture/kill Yeltsin effectively quashed the hardliner coup.

      • NPa [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        :galaxy-brain:

        creating full communism as a bit, joining the galactic fellowship in peace as a larp, transcending the mortal realm and becoming as gods for a laugh, recreating the dharmic cycle to better understand the nature of existence as a prank

        • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Ending global artificial scarcity as a tiktok trend and liberating the working class hypothetically

  • Snackuleata [any]
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    2 years ago

    Don’t we have enough problems with people thinking Russia’s still communist?

  • replaceable [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Incredible cringe, may as well call themselves liberal party of the russian federation

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    It 100% won't happen and they know that, there are too many libs in power that would NEVER allow it. It seems like putting this forwards forces their opponents to demonstrate they do not in fact support socialism. When they are forced to defend their decision for being opposed to it they will give all kinds of contrived answers that are very transparent and easy to use as agitation.

    It is an easy political win. Well timed with soviet nostalgia, the war and potentially Putin’s time now running down, a change is not far from coming and they're leaning into the nationalism and soviet nostalgia while putting opponents in a difficult position with it.

    • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      This is a very interesting take on the subject. Do you think there is enough true support for communism itself for this to be seen in the way you’ve described, or is it more the kind of Soviet nostalgia?

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        There is both true support and nostalgia and just straight up Russian gammons who view the flag as when they were STRONG. All need to be taken advantage of to maintain the connection of the communists with the masses until the conditions are correct.

        I think ML revolutions have not occurred since 91 because the conditions have simply not been right for it. Until those conditions come the key is for communists to build or maintain their existing connection with the masses, I look at this as doing that. There is absolutely no chance of the flag being changed, none whatsoever, and everybody will surely know that. It is a purely political move for agitation and something to easily criticise opponents for.

        If you apply MAGA to Russia you get an interesting doctrine that benefits communists by abusing the natural lean that reactionaries have towards nostalgia for prior "greatness". You can get the intellectuals with all the theory while simultaneously acquiring the reactionaries with "Soviet MAGA". Then all you really need are the correct conditions and an electrification of the population to see revolutionary action.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            No worries. I think the first question that should be asked whenever a party does something that raises eyebrows is first "is this even feasible?" and if it's not the next question should always be "so given that it's not feasible, why are they doing it?"

            This line of reasoning usually leads to the possible ulterior motives given that it is safe to assume they already know what they're doing won't succeed.

            Another potential line of thought is that for any revolution there must be contradiction. One side supporting the USSR and one side supporting the tricolour creates two separate conflicting identities for the nation within society.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      Getting your world history by reading a Western history book and announcing "This, but we were actually the good guys!" really is not the path to material understanding.

  • a_fanonist_hexagon [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    They're also considering nationalizing the property of foreign companies from the hostile countries, though of course Putin's party doesn't support that

    • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Putin did order Russian companies be removed from foreign stock markets which is interesting but not communism lmao

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        They passed something about "abandoned property" that targeted companies that were threatening to end operations in Russia, but that's also not communism.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          This was targeted at mcdonalds which is not a franchise operation in Russia. They shut down and said they were just suspending operations, since they own all the properties. The intent being to either start again later or charge rents for some other use of the properties.